ParkCungHee
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For those deciding that self-determination should be superseded, what is the parameters for determining what area can make self-determination, and which ones can't?
What happened in Londonderry? mischief
That's nonsense, the borders look awful like that, Ireland should own the whole island.
Free Derry didn't want to join the Republic though. They never made any sort of move towards the government, nor claimed to be represented by them. They were a self-declared autonomous region, interested only in being "Free Derry." Hence the sign.
I'd like to point out two things :In general, I think any area where a majority of the people (as opposed to a majority of the people who can be bothered to vote, which isn't quite the same thing) want to go their own way from the motherland iis entitled to secede.
I'd like to point out two things :
- If someone can't be bothered to even vote (provided he can do so safely and without undue obstacle, of course), then I don't see why anyone should bother with his opinion.
- What determine which area would be considered ? A region ? A city ? Only the south part of a city (which has 55 % people wanting to secede, while the entire city would be at 48 % only and could not) ?
As for the topic : Argentina has absolutely no claim to the islands (a "well, we somehow had a handful of people settling there for some monthes despite it being an already claimed land 150 years ago" is not a claim, it's a farce), so the UK is right to ignore them. It's a shame that the UN would do anything but to laugh at Argentina and tell them to grow out of baby tantrum.
Don't forget they also claim it because migratory birds fly there from Argentina.
- If someone can't be bothered to even vote (provided he can do so safely and without undue obstacle, of course), then I don't see why anyone should bother with his opinion.
So arguments of self-determination only apply situations that "make sense?"Indeed, and in that situation, it doesn't make sense to put a tiny independent state on the map even with the backing of the locals, hence why their sentiments were judiciously ignored.
To me self detirmination should always apply when talking about territories that have not fully joined in with a country or which no country has de facto control over. So the Falklands, Puerto Rico, Gibraltar, etc. should get to self determine. Group of random people though who move to an abandoned part of Colorado and proclaim nationhood do not as the US clearly has de facto control over it and it is not a territory which has not fully joined into the nation.