Tomatekh's Historical Religion Mods

Tomatekh · Jun 13, 2014

Hmm, I don't really have the time to research Blackfoot religion at the moment, but, just going by basic information, I would go with either the Iroquois or the Sioux religions.

Considering Blackfoot and Iroquois are from the same language family, their respective religions are probably "genetically" related to some degree. Although, time and distance, this might not be anything more than some similar names.

Going by geographic similarities (and any potential similar beliefs that might come from that) the Sioux are probably closer than the Shoshone. Both the Blackfoot and the Sioux are Great Plains native tribes, I believe, while the Shoshone are more properly a Great Basin tribe. Shoshone language is actually in the same language family as Aztec language, so they originally migrated south to north, while Sioux and Blackfoot (although not in the same language family as each other) both migrated from east to west from the Great Lakes regions.

Crixler · Jun 14, 2014

Does the load order matter for the main pack and the denomination packs? Because it's still not showing the main mod's religions for me. All the denomination ones show up, though. They are all up to date, and I have even deleted my cache files.

turingmachine · Jun 15, 2014

Crixler said:
Does the load order matter for the main pack and the denomination packs? Because it's still not showing the main mod's religions for me. All the denomination ones show up, though. They are all up to date, and I have even deleted my cache files.

Hmm, the updates fixed the problem for me (and I was having the same issue of the main religions not showing up before Tomatekh updated everything). Can you post your database log? That should show if you have any conflicts causing the problem.

(How to enable logging)

Crixler · Jun 15, 2014

turingmachine said:
Hmm, the updates fixed the problem for me (and I was having the same issue of the main religions not showing up before Tomatekh updated everything). Can you post your database log? That should show if you have any conflicts causing the problem.

(How to enable logging)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/noyx1x8vd04jgl3/Database.log

Tomatekh · Jun 16, 2014

Crixler said:
Does the load order matter for the main pack and the denomination packs? Because it's still not showing the main mod's religions for me. All the denomination ones show up, though. They are all up to date, and I have even deleted my cache files.

The add-ons are set to reference the main mods, so they always load after them. I'm pretty sure I always had it set like this, but I double checked when I did the last batch of updates.

Code:

[326356.478] In XMLSerializer while inserting row into table insert into Religions('Type', 'Description', 'Civilopedia', 'IconAtlas', 'PortraitIndex', 'IconString') with  values (RELIGION_CHRISTIAN_ORIENTAL_ORTHODOX, TXT_KEY_RELIGION_CHRISTIAN_COPTIC_ORTHODOX, TXT_KEY_RELIGION_CHRISTIAN_COPTIC_ORTHODOX_PEDIA, HISTORICAL_RELIGIONS_ATLAS_MOD_TWO, 8, [ICON_HISTORICAL_RELIGION_MOD_ORIENTAL_ORTHODOX_TWO], ).
[326356.478] In XMLSerializer while updating table Religions from file XML/Historical Religions Mod.xml.
[326356.478] column Type is not unique

This is the problem, multiple mods are trying to add Oriental Orthodoxy. (Which also means it will probably load correctly for you if you don't include the Christian denominations pack at the moment). Since my add-ons delete the duplicate entry to avoid this problem there are five things I can think of that are causing this:

1. A mod by someone else (not me) is also adding the religion and for some reason using the exact same XML name, or a mod by someone else re-organizes the religions which may inadvertently delete/duplicate specific entries.
2. For some reason your game is ignoring programmed mod references (so they are not loading in the right order and deleting the duplicate entry). I don't know of anything that would cause this, it's possible another mod you are using references my religion mods in weird ways causing them to load differently.
3. You've edited the mod's XML for whatever reason and forgot to keep the delete entry in the Christian denominations.
4. Not all of your religion mods are up to date or you're using one of my discontinued religion mods (I had an old schisms mod that also added Oriental Orthodoxy which I don't offer to download anymore as I've better organized everything with the add-ons). The current versions are v.43: Full, v.32: Edit, v.2: Buddhist, v.8: Christian, v.22: Islam, v.1: Hindu, v.2: Christian Merge.
5. You have multiple old versions of the mods in your mods folder which sometimes can cause problems when newer versions are loaded. Delete the older versions from your folder.

This is about the most I can offer without knowing the full mod list you use.

Crixler · Jun 16, 2014

Thanks for looking into it.
Hmm...
1. I don't have any other religion adding mods installed, so that doesn't sound like it. But I'll take a closer look.
2. I'll take a closer look.
3. Nope.
4. They're all up to date, and I am not using the old schisms one. Just the main full mod, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, and Christian splits.
5. Nope, I already made sure any old versions were deleted before I updated to the latest ones.

Oh man, a full mod list. My mods folder has 156 items in it (though a few aren't enabled). I'll edit this post with a list in a bit, after I compile a list.

Civs:

Spoiler :

Other mods:

Spoiler :

Tomatekh · Jun 17, 2014

Hmm, actually, I might be able to set the main mod to try deleting its own entries before loading them. This should prevent other mods from causing duplicate entries and potentially solve your problem, though I'd have to double check it wont cause problems with the add-ons.

Bergerperson · Jun 17, 2014

Hey Tomatekh, can you add the Pastafarian religion into your mod? :clap:

Crixler · Jun 17, 2014

Bergerperson said:
Hey Tomatekh, can you add the Pastafarian religion into your mod?

You should check out Strange Religions, which includes that, among many other strange religions:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=80943398

Tomatekh · Jun 17, 2014

Okay, try with the new versions (44 for full and 34 for the edit). They essentially delete their own entries twice now. If it works it's only really a dirty fix and doesn't directly address the mod conflict which may still cause other problems.

@Bergerperson

I've purposefully avoided including any modern and new-age religions (or anti-religions in this case) in the mod. However, as pointed out Pastafarianism is already included in the Ryoga's Strange Religions pack (linked in the post above mine) and as a stand alone mod by Salec: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=72149297&searchtext=pastafarianism

Skaz881 · Jun 17, 2014

Will the new version load before the additions? I've had this problem in the past.

Tomatekh · Jun 17, 2014

The mods have always been set to load before the additions. I honestly don't know what can cause the game not to read the programmed references of a mod. I'm going to be looking into this as it might be the cause of a few related problems.

The new versions have the base mods try and delete more of their own entries before loading them, which should potentially cut down inadvertent conflicts with other mods.

Crixler · Jun 19, 2014

Finally got around to testing this... and...
It works!
:woohoo:

Edit: One thing I just noticed, though, is that it appears that support of JFD's civs seems to have been removed. Norway founded Vajrayana, so I took a look in the Historical religions files, and there's no JFD section in the xml.

dilophosaur · Jun 21, 2014

What about making Egyptian monotheism (Atonism/Atenism?)

http://symbolica.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/su-symbol-egyptian-aten-red1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/58820/1977737-symbol.gif

Crixler · Jun 21, 2014

Atenism could be neat. Maybe that's one of his other planned denomination packs, an Egyptian one adding Atenism and the Cult of Serapis or something. Or have the other denomination packs already been announced?

Tomatekh · Jun 21, 2014

Crixler said:
One thing I just noticed, though, is that it appears that support of JFD's civs seems to have been removed. Norway founded Vajrayana, so I took a look in the Historical religions files, and there's no JFD section in the xml.

JFD sets the preference internally in his own mods by referencing an existing civilization's preference.

It's very likely whatever is causing your game to ignore the mod reference load order (the initial problem) is also causing any civs mods to ignore their referenced load order messing up any preferences that might be set for them outside of my mod.

I think what is happening is that you have two mods that reference each other to both load before the other, and since neither can properly load first in this case, its causing the game to ignore all mod references. As this can be any two mods you use, there's no way to know which are causing it without looking at the individual modinfo files for each mod.

dilophosaur said:
What about making Egyptian monotheism (Atonism/Atenism?)

If I get around to making an Egyptian denominations pack, I would add it there.

JFD · Jun 21, 2014

Tomatekh said:
JFD sets the preference internally in his own mods by referencing an existing civilization's preference.

It's very likely whatever is causing your game to ignore the mod reference load order (the initial problem) is also causing any civs mods to ignore their referenced load order messing up any preferences that might be set for them outside of my mod.

I'll have to get around to adding database triggers so that load list isn't an issue.

Crixler · Jun 21, 2014

Tomatekh said:
I think what is happening is that you have two mods that reference each other to both load before the other, and since neither can properly load first in this case, its causing the game to ignore all mod references. As this can be any two mods you use, there's no way to know which are causing it without looking at the individual modinfo files for each mod.

Oh, fun. I shall look into it, then. Thanks.

Skaz881 · Jun 21, 2014

Tomatekh said:
JFD sets the preference internally in his own mods by referencing an existing civilization's preference.

It's very likely whatever is causing your game to ignore the mod reference load order (the initial problem) is also causing any civs mods to ignore their referenced load order messing up any preferences that might be set for them outside of my mod.

I think what is happening is that you have two mods that reference each other to both load before the other, and since neither can properly load first in this case, its causing the game to ignore all mod references. As this can be any two mods you use, there's no way to know which are causing it without looking at the individual modinfo files for each mod.

If I get around to making an Egyptian denominations pack, I would add it there.

I have the same problem with JFD's civs, instead of founding the religion of the civilization they reference, their choice is random.

Crixler · Jun 21, 2014

Tomatekh said:
I think what is happening is that you have two mods that reference each other to both load before the other, and since neither can properly load first in this case, its causing the game to ignore all mod references. As this can be any two mods you use, there's no way to know which are causing it without looking at the individual modinfo files for each mod.

Just went through every mod I have, there were no mutual references. Also, only two mods included "RELIGION_CHRISTIAN_ORIENTAL_ORTHODOX" in them, Historical Religions (main) and Christian Denominations. :\

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