MobBoss
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Do you really think farmers need fewer illegal migrant workers to pick crops? Sure there is a recession, however, the kind of jobs illegals do arent the ones being lost.
US Gov't Sues Arizona Over Immigration Law
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Do you really think farmers need fewer illegal migrant workers to pick crops? Sure there is a recession, however, the kind of jobs illegals do arent the ones being lost.
What if it is a citizen that is foreign looking and has a heavy accent? Should that person be arrested when they can't produce a green card that doesn't exist? Do you carry proof of citizenship?
AZ residents should be outraged that this law is going to cost the state millions of dollars, get overturned, and accomplish nothing.
Edit: here's the complaint. For the TL/DR crowd (I don't blame you, honestly) just read the intro.
http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents/az-complaint.pdf
Edit: here's the complaint. For the TL/DR crowd (I don't blame you, honestly) just read the intro.
http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents/az-complaint.pdf
MobBoss
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Your story goes further than just laying sole blame on the recession, if you didnt notice. It gives equal credit to harsher crackdowns on illegals and their employers.
Do you give credit to actions such as Arizona's also making the number of illegals coming here smaller? I'd say thats having an affect as well, wouldnt you?
Sure, but crediting to both is directly contradictory to your claim that reports of declining illegal immigration is because of a lack of enforcement.
Why would I give credit to Arizona? The article was created only a week after the bill was passed and referred to a larger trend.
The real question is how many legitimate residents are going to be forced to prove their status for no reason other than their appearance. If the answer is 1 or more, then the law is antiAmerican.
woody60707
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The law isn't. The ONLY way to enforce it is. They could of gone about this in better ways. Say any day laborers have to have work permits that must be shown when asked, (only while working, like my drivers license). From there you can (have too) legally seek to ID who this person is.
We need to have harder laws on people employing Illegals (and ways to check the self employed). And I don't care how bad the problem is, we can not start giving up Rights because it's the easy way out.
Skwink
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They will be able to prove citizenship. Then everything will be alright. States on the boarder require you to be a citizen to get a license. You have your license, your good.
woody60707
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You don't need papers proving who you are in the USofA. And cops can't ask you for ID with no reason. It's crazy to even think this would be ok. The only time I am legally required to have my drivers license on me is when I'm driving.
Hey cool, a plan so full of holes that even teenagers can evade.
Skwink
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Hey cool, how you going to catch the illegals?
I'd make it irrelevant by liberalizing immigration laws and letting the labor market decide.
Skwink
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So you would let them in?! What about all the people who had to go through all the work of becoming legal citizens, what would they think? "Well I had to all that work, and they can get in for free?" Same thing as, "I bought civ IV for 50 bucks, and now it's free?"
There is no citizenship requirement to obtain a driver's license in any state and you are not required to have a driver's license at all (so long as you are not driving). Thus, a non-citizen can produce a valid driver's license and a citizen (who perhaps calls the police to have her husband to stop beating her) would not necessarily be able to prove up via your method if she didn't drive. We are again reduced to "foreign looking" and "thick accent" as criteria. Unless you want to require citizens to carry absolute proof of citizenship, the law can potentially subject foreign-looking, thick accented citizens to round-up.
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I guess we can stop those strict custom inspections from certain countries, I'd hate for one person to have to prove themselves just because of their nationality
Yes, thats how ridiculous your hyperbole has become.
That is for the privilege of international travel and crossing the border, not walking down the street in Tempe.I guess we can stop those strict custom inspections from certain countries, I'd hate for one person to have to prove themselves just because of their nationality
Civ IV is $7.60 right now.
The immigration process being laborious isn't an argument for keeping it as such.
Skwink
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What you say is true. I would like the liberals here to now make their plan for stopping the illegals that is perfect. They are criticizing, and start helping.
Great post BTW \/
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That would be nice, but the same racists who are foaming at the mouth because a law that checks immigration would invariable affect more Latinos because they as a reality make up the plurality of illegal immigrants would be foaming at the mouth because such a check would invariably affect more Latinos because they as a reality make up the plurality of day workers.
You see, the problem here for the racists like La Raza and their sort is not that we are enforcing illegal immigration. They don't raise a finger to help Asian or African or Eastern European immigrants. Their sole motivation and objection that for whatever reason whether it be fair or unfair, circimstantial or targeted, legal or illegal, is that it affects their fellow ethnicity. They are motivated by race and race alone.
The reality is that due to geography, democraphics and econimics the majority or immigrants, legal and illegal, are going to Mexican or Latin American. This is a reality, and thus any program dealing with immigration is going to affect them more than others. That is not racism. Objecting to it is racism.
