Azurian
The Azurian
How about a new crime at Gene modification?
Crime: Genome Piracy
Anti-Crime Building: Genome Piracy Commission
Crime & Punishment
- Thread starter Hydromancerx
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How about a new crime at Gene modification?
Crime: Genome Piracy
Anti-Crime Building: Genome Piracy Commission
Il Principe
Prince
Or another one: Genome forgery. Anyone seen the movie "Gattaca"?
Il Principe
Prince
As for crime fighting:
Highway patrol
needs autmobiles.
no espionage bonus, but gives money ( speed tickets)
A question: do crimes obsolete?
Highway patrol
needs autmobiles.
no espionage bonus, but gives money ( speed tickets)
A question: do crimes obsolete?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Since they are a building I would assume they could. But I don't think there are any that do at the moment.
What crime do you think should go obsolete and at what tech?
Il Principe
Prince
Sorry, my idea was less about techs, but more about civics:
Bank Robbery and all money related crimes don´t make much sense if you run Barter ( for that matter: same goes for the Bank building), or maybe post scarcity. Or paradise in welfare.
I sometimes loose the overwiew about the sheer mass of techs and crimes. But is there one representing self cleaning surfaces? If so it could obolete grafitti.
Bank Robbery and all money related crimes don´t make much sense if you run Barter ( for that matter: same goes for the Bank building), or maybe post scarcity. Or paradise in welfare.
I sometimes loose the overwiew about the sheer mass of techs and crimes. But is there one representing self cleaning surfaces? If so it could obolete grafitti.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Well then that is a Bank issue. If the Bank doesn't exist then Bank Robbery will not trigger since it requires the Bank building.
Azurian
The Azurian
some possible Crimes that were in my mind
Crime: Money Laundring
Exists Above 300
Requires Corporations
Crime: False Accusations
Exists Above 25
Requires Oratory
Street Protest
Exists Above 60
Requires Paved Roads
Crime: Tresspassing
Exists Above 75
Requires The Wheel
Crime: Runaways
Exists Above 200
Requires Boat Building
Crime: Insoburdination
Exists Above 450
Requires Military Traditon
Crime: Littering
Exists Above 20
Requires Construction
Crime ; Disorderly conduct
Exista Above 120
Requires Cooperation
Crime: Prostitution
Exists Above 300
Requires Battlefield Medicine
Crime: Hate Crime
Exists Above 250
Requires Radio
Crime: Gene Forgery
Exists Above 450
Requires Genetics
Crime: Asimov Tampering
Exists above 510
Requires Personal Robots
Crime: Unathorized Cybernetics
Exists Above 620
Requires Cybernetics
Crime: Asteroid To Earth Terrorism
Exists Above 600
Requires Asteroid Extraction
Crime: Natural Birth
Exits Above 50
Requires Artificial Life
Crime: Illegal Brainwashing
Exits Above 540
Requires Mind Uploading
Crime: Planetary Bombardment
Exits Above 900
Requires Interstellar trade
Crime: Timeline Tampering
Exits Above 950
Requires Time Travel
Crime: Money Laundring
Exists Above 300
Requires Corporations
Crime: False Accusations
Exists Above 25
Requires Oratory
Street Protest
Exists Above 60
Requires Paved Roads
Crime: Tresspassing
Exists Above 75
Requires The Wheel
Crime: Runaways
Exists Above 200
Requires Boat Building
Crime: Insoburdination
Exists Above 450
Requires Military Traditon
Crime: Littering
Exists Above 20
Requires Construction
Crime ; Disorderly conduct
Exista Above 120
Requires Cooperation
Crime: Prostitution
Exists Above 300
Requires Battlefield Medicine
Crime: Hate Crime
Exists Above 250
Requires Radio
Crime: Gene Forgery
Exists Above 450
Requires Genetics
Crime: Asimov Tampering
Exists above 510
Requires Personal Robots
Spoiler :
Crime: Unathorized Cybernetics
Exists Above 620
Requires Cybernetics
Crime: Asteroid To Earth Terrorism
Exists Above 600
Requires Asteroid Extraction
Crime: Natural Birth
Exits Above 50
Requires Artificial Life
Crime: Illegal Brainwashing
Exits Above 540
Requires Mind Uploading
Crime: Planetary Bombardment
Exits Above 900
Requires Interstellar trade
Crime: Timeline Tampering
Exits Above 950
Requires Time Travel
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Some questions and comments ...
1. Why is Runaways linked to Boat Building tech?
2. Trespassing should probably have a different tech than The Wheel. Something to do with owning land.
3. Littering seems more fit for Public Sanitation.
4. Prostitution, hmm. That is as old as time. However when it becomes illegal is the question.
5. Hate Crime I think would be perfect for the Minority Rights tech I want to introduce.
6. Asimov Tampering, nice.
7. Timeline Tampering, HA!
1. Why is Runaways linked to Boat Building tech?
2. Trespassing should probably have a different tech than The Wheel. Something to do with owning land.
3. Littering seems more fit for Public Sanitation.
4. Prostitution, hmm. That is as old as time. However when it becomes illegal is the question.
5. Hate Crime I think would be perfect for the Minority Rights tech I want to introduce.
6. Asimov Tampering, nice.
7. Timeline Tampering, HA!
Azurian
The Azurian
Well i didnt know where to put it. Im thinking of Deserters, when people leave the city because they are mad and when soldiers leave the battlefield in protest.
I really dont know where Trespassing can fit, maybe Tribaldom?
Why didnt i think of that before lol
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Im thinking sometime in the modern era around the 1970s..maybe mass media
Yes it would be better under Minority Rights!
Yeah, future people illegally modified the behavior of their personal robots and its illegal because it can be very dangerous. Or illegal upload new software without permission.6. Asimov Tampering, nice.
Well if people are really pissed of they can attempt to go back in time to change history. this should be the ultimate crime..i was thinking Crime 900+ but it can be made higher..maybe 2000, if your civilization has Time travel this will probably happen if they are seriously pissed of.7. Timeline Tampering, HA!
oh, and for Asteroid to Earth Terrorism is when rebels fling asteroids to targeted cities on Earth to protest that government.
Some questions and comments ...
1. Why is Runaways linked to Boat Building tech?
2. Trespassing should probably have a different tech than The Wheel. Something to do with owning land.
3. Littering seems more fit for Public Sanitation.
4. Prostitution, hmm. That is as old as time. However when it becomes illegal is the question.
5. Hate Crime I think would be perfect for the Minority Rights tech I want to introduce.
6. Asimov Tampering, nice.
7. Timeline Tampering, HA!
5. Should also require some civics, as some societies sanction and even endorse hate crimes against minorities. (ex. gays being buried alive by the Taliban, women being abused in Iran, etc.)
6 and 7. Good ideas for future crimes.
what about social cervice biuldings should reduce crime too. i thing of buildings that support poor people to live a life without becomming a criminal. something like foundation, public school, social service , ore social justice organisation, we have all this biuldings, it would make sense to use them like this. a hungry person who havent money to bye food is going to steal something before he is starving when he dont get any help
Trespassing isn't a crime until the notion of land ownership - to use an example in England (which is where I live), it was the Enclosures Act in the 18thC that really solidified the notion that all land is owned, and made trespass a crime - so it was much later than you suppose.
Prior to that there were areas of woodland etc. where nobles/royalty had sole rights to hunt, but breaching that law was poaching, not trespass, and you were only foul of the law if you killed and removed game. Trespassing as a crime did not exist (at least not here) until a few hundred years ago, and land ownership is not an ancient notion. If trespassing is to be included as a crime, it should be no earlier than late renaissance/early industrial.
Edit:
I also COMPLETELY agree with Kreatur's post. Capital punishment and gaols are not the only ways to tackle crime, I would like to see some social policy prevention type stuff (and no I don't mean Big Brother surveillance type stuff, but social stuff to make sure that people don't need to resort to crime so there is support for the bottom layer of society, and also education to make sure that people don't get to that point), there are plenty of ways crime can be prevented, at the moment the focus seems to be more on the punishment aspect which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think education buildings such as schools should reduce crime by a small amount, perhaps also leisure facilities (public amenities such as swimming pools, recreation centres, sports facilities), also some of the education civics (compulsory education etc.) should have a small -crime bonus in each city to represent a larger proportion of the population getting a better education and better prospects in life as a result. Other buildings that could reduce crime could be things like soup kitchens, drug rehab centres, job retraining centres. Even in ancient times, Rome gave corn to the poor.
Edit: Of course all these measures cost money - but it should a choice between being a punishment hardliner, or taking more liberal prevention measures, rather than being pushed towards building gallows.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
The "Rehab" building already reduces crime by -5/per turn. A Soup Kitchen is a good idea for a building though.
I really hope that some of the crime prevention of the capital punishment is moved to other buildings. Crimes that can result in capital punishment are an extremely small part of overall crime, studies show it is no more effective as a deterrent than life in prison and it is extremely expensive in the US so should probably get -gold with some civics. In general it is the probability of getting caught that deters crime, not the harshness of the punishment.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Well its not until more recent history have such techniques even been considered. Most punishments in history were brutal and barbaric.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
You forgot "and a public spetical for enjoyment of seeing people getting what they deserve and as a cautionary tale for the young"
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that it was effective in preventing crime back then. I'm not sure but I don't think that the death penalty has ever been all that common form of punishment. Currently only about 0.15% of the US prison population is on death row.
More modern civics such as liberal and later techs could add unhappiness to the capital punishment buildings to model the drop of support that has happened in most of the western world.
Il Principe
Prince
True, the death penalty has not been the most used. imprisonment and, stockades, public whippings, mainming .. the list is long and sometimes pretty creative ( especially when it comes to torture for "confessions")
