Who is this new leader?

ferretbacon · Apr 11, 2013

Wait.

Madness?

IT.

IS.

SPARTA!

:mischief:

sukritact · Apr 11, 2013

Zenon_pt said:
???tragedy??? I don't think so.
and also there wasn't any full dynasty as madness

Well, she goes mad, then her husband died, then her eldest child died then her palace was filled with screams. She lived the last 8 years of her life in Brazil being unhappy...

Sounds tragic enough to me...

Melo-Franco · Apr 11, 2013

Really hoping for a Morocco/Algeria/Mauritania/Al-Andalus/Moor/Berber leader! Please someone make it happen! A scholar leader speaking MOZARABIC would be simply amazing! A language melting Latin and Arabic sounds very interesting.
Astronomy and geometry, for example, saw great development in Al-Andalus Hispania under the name of al-Zarqali, al-Majriti, al-Saffar... The latter wrote a treatise on the astrolabe, quite influential when it comes to Iberian navigation.

bonafide11 · Apr 11, 2013

Portugal will make it in the game, but I have an extremely difficult time believing they'd use the term "dynasty" in reference to Portugal. Clearly not them.

PhilBowles · Apr 11, 2013

nunor said:
They posted this on Facebook:

A dynasty characterized by tragedy and madness…

I'd say the use of the word 'dynasty' - and not, say, 'kingdom' or 'nation' - is very significant. It may point to an Eastern civ rather than an European one.

The key difference is not Eastern vs. European, but that a "dynasty" reflects a family. And European royal families tended to intermary heavily - as a result it may be that the 'tragedy and madness' refers to members of the dynasty who are associated with countries other than the civ being teased.

Not sure it fits Portugal well; Maria would be an odd choice in an expansion that also includes Brazil, and I doubt they'd refer to "tragedy and madness" if the madness was associated with a later ruler than the Civ leader.

Art Grin · Apr 11, 2013

sukritact said:
Well, she goes mad, then her husband died, then her eldest child died then her palace was filled with screams. She lived the last 8 years of her life in Brazil being unhappy...

Sounds tragic enough to me...

I don't know, they say it's a dynasty wrapped in madness and tragedy not the leader specifically. I don't know how often tragedy and madness befell the House of Braganza prior and after her.

Zenon_pt · Apr 11, 2013

Hannibal XIII said:
For Safavi Iran, this guy: http://madmonarchs.guusbeltman.nl/madmonarchs/nadir/nadir_bio.htm

And other members of his dynasty also suffered from madness. He was a great military leader, and, most importantly, has facial hair

Another Persian leader?

turingmachine · Apr 11, 2013

There's no reason to ever choose a background with water for Timur. Nothing about the image even evokes Timur except the arbitrary feather shadow, which itself was nothing Timur invented but he adopted from the Ottomans (and more generally Persian culture).

I'd say everything points to one of the Moorish dynasties.

Genghis.Khan · Apr 11, 2013

Describing the Avis Dinasty, or the Braganza Dinasty (the ones more liekely to generate
Leaders for Portugal) as 'characterized by tragedy and madness' seems exaggerated...
Also, the shadow seems like Indian-Related rather than Portuguese

Zet · Apr 11, 2013

This is a mediterranean/european leader as seen by the architecture. The water suggests it's a civ on the ocean or along great rivers.

I would say it's most likely Portugal, perhaps Holy Roman Empire.

Art Grin · Apr 11, 2013

Shaka must be spinning in his grave right now, cursing his fashion sense for picking such a distinct and easily identifiable dress.

Melo-Franco · Apr 11, 2013

Zet said:
This is a mediterranean/european leader as seen by the architecture. The water suggests it's a civ on the ocean or along great rivers.

I would say it's most likely Portugal, perhaps Holy Roman Empire.

Mediterranean means Southern European as much as North African... Let me dream of a moor leader.

Zenon_pt · Apr 11, 2013

sukritact said:
Well, she goes mad, then her husband died, then her eldest child died then her palace was filled with screams. She lived the last 8 years of her life in Brazil being unhappy...

Sounds tragic enough to me...

but not "A dynasty characterized by tragedy and madness"
the Braganza dynasty there are great names without the tragedy and or madness part!

Eagle Pursuit · Apr 11, 2013

I'm going with:

1) Portugal. The architecture and description fit well. They had madness and unfortunate deaths
2) Morocco. The shadow's head dress speaks of Middle Eastern influence.

Zet · Apr 11, 2013

Melo-Franco said:
Mediterranean means Southern European as much as North African... Let me dream of a moor leader.

There is nothing islamic about the architecture.

Scaramanga · Apr 11, 2013

Zenon_pt said:
but not "A dynasty characterized by tragedy and madness"
the Braganza dynasty there are great names without the tragedy and or madness part!

What dynasty that was 100% crazy and tragic would keep a throne let alone lead a nation to greatness?

Sikandar · Apr 11, 2013

David or Solomon?

ferretbacon · Apr 11, 2013

I'm not so sure that the architecture is clearly European/Mediterranean.

I think viable alternatives to Portugal (which seems to be favored here), in no particular order:

-Morocco/Moors/Berbers/etc.
-Timurids
-Romanians (might be Vlad Tepes)
-Mughals (would necessitate a reworking of India, but I don't think anyone would mind)

Haig · Apr 11, 2013

Dennis said that the Africa scenario has both north Africa and sub-sahara civs, some of them probably scenario only. so maybe the mystery shadow man is a north-african leader.

From what civ, don't know..

gigantomachyusa · Apr 11, 2013

Here's a map of Alhambra. It looks a lot like the building at the lower left I referenced earlier as Masada:

Who is this new leader?

Obsessor

Artist and Modder

Warlord

Worker

Deity

Emperor

Civing on the real world

Emperor

Person

Warlord

Emperor

Warlord

Civing on the real world

Per Scribendum, Volo

Warlord

Brickhead

Prince

Obsessor

Deity

Chieftain

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