Unique Units elimination thread

Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 20
Hussar 20
Jaguar 20
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 18
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 20
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 18
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Samurai 20
Zero 10
Turtle Ship 20
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 20
Sea Beggar 20
Janissary 20
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 20
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Mmkay, so the battering ram is killer, it's a spear replacement that works like a trebuchet 50 turns before you get trebuchets, and the Jaguar is too early of a UU to be too much use. (The Battering Ram works magic if you rush early but not too early ) Also fixed the Keshik error.

Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 20
Hussar 20
Jaguar 20
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 18
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 21
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 18
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Samurai 20
Zero 10
Turtle Ship 20
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 20
Sea Beggar 20
Janissary 20
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 18
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

I will go ahead and upvote the Horse Archer - that thing is just too powerful in regards to its age, durability, promotions, movement, etc. - In multiplayer it is MUCH better than the Battering Ram. By a mile. Its better in singleplayer too - but with the ability to swarm and catch opposing armies in chokeholds - you won't have a problem cutting anything in your way

D.V. to the Maori Warrior. -10% to opposing units? How exactly does it help that unit survive into later ages? Is it even worth building many/any Maori warriors in truth? Not really beyond 1-2 to try and explore and get on the Lancer upgrade line

Arrrggghh. Maori should be at 14 now.

Also a lot of the first page votes werent counted.

Look at camel archers - just looked at this thread now

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Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 20
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 21
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Samurai 20
Zero 10
Turtle Ship 20
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 20
Sea Beggar 20
Janissary 20
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 14
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Tabarnak, I still count three downvotes for Maori in #14, #38 and #42 (unless you are not counting #38 yet).

Buccaneer said:

Tabarnak, I still count three downvotes for Maori in #14, #38 and #42 (unless you are not counting #38 yet).

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I checked this very fast(not really have time for this...but still doing a check up when i have a little spare time) Thanks

I edited my post. Congratulations! You are now my new assistant.

After going through this thread and seeing varying numbers and lists throughout, I ran back through the entire thread and noted any and all changes to each units' tally. I'll post this list, with ANY deviations from the base value of 20 in blue and bold, and then I'll put my observations in a spoiler. AFAIK, this is accurate at this posting.

Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 21
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Zero 4
Turtle Ship 21
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 22
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 14
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22 (+1)
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Zero 2 (-2)
Turtle Ship 21
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 22
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 14
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Horse archer - maybe the most OP unit and it's possible to make swarm of them.
Zero - sucks, sucks, sucks.

Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Zero 0
Turtle Ship 21
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 22
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 14
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

goodbye zero! Pointless UU replacement for a pointless unit.

Ship of the Line is a beast for conquest. Nothing compares on the open sea.

Minutemen 20
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 21
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 23 (+1)
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 12
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Keshlik is even better now. Its is increased in G&K so it becomes an unstoppable killing machine.

Zero sucks. I am glad that I am the one who eliminated them. Comes too late & a very useless bonus it has. AI airforce rarely becomes a threat & u can mostly deal with it using anti-air guns & mobile SAMs.

Edit : Someone voted when I was preparing the post. Updated my post.

eisforeccentric said:

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Thanks a lot

Minutemen 21 (+1)
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 19 (-2)
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 20
Keshik 23 (+1)
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 12
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Minutemen rock! With G&K, you can now upgrade all your previous melee units to Minutemen which makes them rock even more. Ignoring terrain movement penalties is a huge bonus which is highly underrated by many people IMHO. It is especially powerful once units get a bit of experience and have the ability to get +1 movement and/or blitz to attack more than once each turn. In the Modern/Atomic Era, Mechanized Infantry upgraded from Minutemen are nearly unstoppable!

The Turtle Ship is a senseless unit. You tech all the way to Astronomy so that you can explore the ocean, but as Korea, you can't explore the ocean with Astronomy because their UU replacement for the Caravel is restricted to coastal tiles. One of the few UU in the game where the regular unit is better than the UU replacement.

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 16
Longbowman 23
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 19
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21 (+1)
Keshik 23
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 10 (-2)
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20


About the Maori: warrior-based units are a tough proposition as it is, since early war is not very useful, but at least the others have decent bonuses. The Maori's bonus just sucks. It's not actually useful early on, so the only way to benefit from it is to gimp your development by building lots of warriors early, then not use them for a while and eventually upgrade them. Just... no.

The Atlatlist shows the Maori how it's done; it's the earliest and easiest to build ranged unit in the game, allowing you to easily defend yourself in the early stages, without needing to research Archery.

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 15 (-2)
Longbowman 24 (+1)
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 20
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 19
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 23
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 10
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20


Longbows = Medieval Era Artillery! Love it

Mesix said:

The Turtle Ship is a senseless unit. You tech all the way to Astronomy so that you can explore the ocean, but as Korea, you can't explore the ocean with Astronomy because their UU replacement for the Caravel is restricted to coastal tiles. One of the few UU in the game where the regular unit is better than the UU replacement.

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It is like saying that Keshliks suck because they can't capture cities like knights.

Come on! Turtle ships have a whooping 16 advantage over caravels. They even destroy frigates if u blitz them quickly. They can also take down huge coastal cities of their time due to their insane strength.

Babri said:

Come on! Turtle ships have a whooping 16 advantage over caravels. They even destroy frigates if u blitz them quickly.

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Given that the frigate ended their turn in close proximity to the coast, yep

Also you can just send your scout to explore the oceans.

Mesix said:

The Turtle Ship is a senseless unit. You tech all the way to Astronomy so that you can explore the ocean, but as Korea, you can't explore the ocean with Astronomy because their UU replacement for the Caravel is restricted to coastal tiles. One of the few UU in the game where the regular unit is better than the UU replacement.

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You can explore the oceans as well as anyone else - Astronomy also unlocks embarked movement across oceans. You just can't send a navy across the ocean. As I noted, compared with such analogues as the Battering Ram, the Turtle Ship has a trivial disadvantage.

Besides which, there really are very few maps with major expanses of land that are only accessible across the ocean - it can often take somewhat longer along coasts, but if you want to use the Turtle Ship as an explorer rather than for conquest, it's usually possible to do so.

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 21
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 15 (-2)
Longbowman 24 (+1)
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 19
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 23
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 10
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Naruesan's Elephant: I'm slightly sad to upvote this one, just because there's not really much interesting you can say to justify it. Highest strength medieval land unit in the game - that's all there is to it. The equal of a pikeman with the vs. cavalry bonus, making this a credible front-line unit. Yes, I miss having a unit fast enough to move, attack, then move away, but they turn into Cavalry eventually.

Panzer: There is a huge difference between 3 movement and 4, particularly in the early game. The difference between 5 and 6 is much more trivial, since the unit is already fast enough for flank attacks. To top it off, I very, very rarely use tanks. I usually go the Rocketry or Globalization path; by the time I tech to tanks, they're obsolete anyway, and as they come at a game stage where I will often have fast units with blitz, not to mention Paratroopers, cavalry-equivalents are much less relevant in the very late game stages than earlier. My favoured tech paths also make me irritated that the Panzer shows up so often as a CS UU, since I'll pretty much never get the benefit.

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 20
Jaguar 18
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 20
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 22 (+1)
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
War Chariot 15
Longbowman 24
Ship of the Line 21
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 17
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 19
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 23
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 20
Maori Warrior 8 (-2)
Legion 20
Ballista 20
Cossack 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Tercio 20
Conquistador 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 20

Chu-Ko-Nu - love these guys. Last game I had around eight composite bows that I could upgrade. Attacking cities was a brezee, I essentially had 16 crossbowman.

Maori - Only one word to describe it, useless. The benefit is really trivial for such an early UU