Venice discussion

ImperialChaos · Jun 10, 2013

They should have just went with Italy

Still mad about that.

Gucumatz · Jun 10, 2013

I think this will be easily the most hated civ in Civ 5 by the general public. India is already pretty much that, this will probably do even worse with the public

Biologist · Jun 10, 2013

ImperialChaos said:
I'm gonna send in my army of merchants; nobody expects the Venetian Acquisition.

I might expect it, but I'm not sure what to do about it. At least with Austria I can try to empty their treasury or flip the city state to my control (prior to Austrian marriage). If this Merchant of Venice thing is real, I guess everyone will just have to maintain a unit barricade around the borders of valuable city states. It's like protecting your cities from GPs, only a thousand times worse.

Hey, maybe there will be a Moneylender unit that can only be rush-bought with gold. When placed within the borders of a city state, it prevents the MoV from converting that city state.

ferretbacon · Jun 10, 2013

Gucumatz said:
I think this will be easily the most hated civ in Civ 5 by the general public. India is already pretty much that, this will probably do even worse with the public

At least it will be interesting to play; can't say the same about India.

Hakan-i Cihan · Jun 10, 2013

What happens if you capture Venice's capital? They just play on with puppets, do they lose or the new capital turned into an annexed city assuming that they have other cities besides the capital?

InsanelyApple · Jun 10, 2013

I want to see when Enrico is defeated (you destroy his empire), he starts walking away, walks into something, and falls overs! (Because he can't see where he is going)

IkM · Jun 10, 2013

Looks interesting. I'll try them because I love OCC.

but, coastal city on OCC little bit bad because we need more tiles for Great People. but if we settle non-coastal tile, then, we will not able to use UU of Venice. :crazyeye:

Gucumatz · Jun 10, 2013

Hakan-i Cihan said:
What happens if you capture Venice's capital? They just play on with puppets, do they lose or the new capital turned into an annexed city assuming that they have other cities besides the capital?

This is a good question... The AI can already rush buy in puppeted cities on higher levels and only does "so much" with that ability. Not being able to unpuppet cities if it loses Venice means the end for the civ.

The AI won't be able to handle this civ at all...

DemonMaster · Jun 10, 2013

Gucumatz said:
I think this will be easily the most hated civ in Civ 5 by the general public. India is already pretty much that, this will probably do even worse with the public

Yeah, all those players that loves to launch their c.o.d. on the pangea map will be angry with this choice. But Those player can play Zulu. Personally I like to change my playing style so I love these oddity civs

ImperialChaos · Jun 10, 2013

Gucumatz said:
I think this will be easily the most hated civ in Civ 5 by the general public. India is already pretty much that, this will probably do even worse with the public

I agree. The general public will say "Venice the city? Seriously?
then they see they have to play with only one city and can only puppet.
"Nope"

This is definitely for hardcore civ players. I consider myself one and I still hate it.

Gucumatz · Jun 10, 2013

I think its a terrible inclusion for the game, but I still am thinking of making a challenge for myself playing with them on deity :lol:

JSMCAG · Jun 10, 2013

ImperialChaos said:
I guess it's play style related. I love making big empires and Venice seems to promote small ones (though double trade routes is pretty boss).

I'm gonna send in my army of merchants; nobody expects the Venetian Acquisition.

If it weren't for the fact it was already referenced twice, I would so want this to be an achievement!

nunor · Jun 10, 2013

ImperialChaos said:
I agree. The general public will say "Venice the city? Seriously?
then they see they have to play with only one city and can only puppet.
"Nope"

Even the specialised public will turn their noses up it. I don't know if you listen to that PolyCast emmission, but once (last episode?) one of them mentioned Venice as being a likely civ and the others were like 'Venice? Seriously? I don't think so. Venice is the finest example of a city-state, etc etc' - and in a very despising tone too.

Hakan-i Cihan · Jun 10, 2013

Gucumatz said:
I think its a terrible inclusion for the game, but I still am thinking of making a challenge for myself playing with them on deity

That is one of the reasons they are designed like this Hypercube thing I think, for Diehard Diety OCC players...

But not for me... :crazyeye:

ggmoyang · Jun 10, 2013

Hakan-i Cihan said:
What happens if you capture Venice's capital? They just play on with puppets, do they lose or the new capital turned into an annexed city assuming that they have other cities besides the capital?

Well, in Vanilla and GnK one of puppets becomes temporary capital, but still a puppet. (I saw this, AI didn't annex his new capital lol) I think this would be the case. although you can't annex new capital, at least you can buy in any puppets.

potatosalad · Jun 10, 2013

Do we have any info on how trade routes with puppet cities work? Because one detail that I think would make a huge difference is whether you can make your puppets direct their production to Venice. Puppet empires can often be really taxing, as they keep building useless stuff that costs maintenance without really benefiting anyone (workshops, windmills, castles, etc). But if you could steal their production for Venice, it would server two purposes: Dampen their maintenance burden, and make up for the lack of production that usually comes with OCC. Instead of struggling for every little bit of production you can get for Venice (which is guaranteed to have a coastal start with little production), you'd be able to pump out wonder after wonder with your imported production.

It would also make sense historically, considering how much Venice enriched herself with the territorial gains from the fourth crusade.

Ulthwithian · Jun 10, 2013

I'm gonna send in my army of merchants; nobody expects the Venetian Acquisition

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHA*choke*

I haven't heard anything so funny in weeks.

Thank you, sir!!

And, Gucumatz, while I don't doubt that you are correct in how the majority of Civ players will react to Venice, I for one would be delighted to play them in MP.

Il Corvo Bianco · Jun 10, 2013

nunor said:
Even the specialised public will turn their noses up it. I don't know if you listen to that PolyCast emmission, but once (last episode?) one of them mentioned Venice as being a likely civ and the others were like 'Venice? Seriously? I don't think so. Venice is the finest example of a city-state, etc etc' - and in a very despising tone too.

You need five minutes skimming Venice's history to see that it doesn't work at all with a city-state. On the other hand, the UA is...interesting, but way too weak. The Merchant of Venice should have been a part of it, seeing as now Venice gets a lot of money in change of being half a OCC. Putting the special use of a Great Merchant in the UA would have freed a slot, which could have been used for a better UU or, even, a National Wonder-like UB - the Arsenal comes to mind.

Glassmage · Jun 10, 2013

this is such a joke civ geezus christ >_>. OCC on coast bias to use unique unit and have better money from trade route but no land tiles to improve OR land tiles and lose the other stuff. OMG WHYY!!!!

Sikandar · Jun 10, 2013

I wonder if Venice will be coast AND marsh bias.

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