I’ll start with BSmith’s post, then move to everything else I want to respond to.
I would like to recognize that there is some dissatisfaction within the community with the moderation of the NES sub forum. This seems to stem both from disagreement with some of the rules and policies involved and a desire for a member more strongly involved with this community to become a part of the moderation team of this sub-forum.
There is no dissatisfaction from me. In my 12 years on CFC I have not seen a single case where a moderator have wronged anyone in the NESing community. Every single warning, ban, and that other thing were always well reasoned. The only difference is that in the last few years some NESers have begun to not like being told when they misbehave, culminating in the whole “inclusivity rule” mass which have calmed into to now rise again and reaching the so called “exodus”. The moderators have done nothing, and I do mean nothing, wrong as far as moderation goes. Perhaps there are personal dislikes between certain moderators and NESers but I have never seen that lead to any misbehavior by moderators.
As for disagreement with the rules, again, none from me. The rules of the forums are perfectly fine in my opinion (with PDMA lower in this list, but that isn’t the subject, so moving along).
The only thing I see from the arguments against the moderation here is the wish to have a NESer moderator in the forum. We had one, Birdjaguar, but he left NESing as far as I can see and so cannot be considered that bridge anymore. The problem with the demand for a NESer moderator is that I personally do not trust most NESers (probably including myself, albeit to the opposite direction) to be good moderators, as in following the rules of CFC to the word. I fear the forum will be chaos in such a case, something akin to what has been going in WWW thread not being solved or even fixed and the misbehavior allowed to continue. (Me to the opposite means I will go too far with following the rules…
Let's have that discussion here and now. What are your thoughts on the issues outlined here? Are there any other issues with moderation in NES? What changes in moderation should occur? How would you envision these changes would impact this community in general and specifically WWW? If you feel these changes should include the appointment of an additional moderator, what would/should this person bring to the table that is not already there? Who would you nominate and why?
I guess I mostly said my thoughts on the issues you outlined. I don’t think there are issues, nor that there should be any changes. Perhaps a NESer moderator should be added, but the choosing of one should be very careful, and he should never be on his own in this. I have no idea who would be good for this for the reasons I gave above.
One important thing. I do think the NESers should be allowed to have one thread with OT subjects. Sometimes debates open that begin in game threads and have nothing to do outside the NESing communities. This were allowed in the WWW thread, but were terribly taken way out of line by practically everyone who were a part of those discussions. If people can’t behave, OT rights should be taken away from us, but I don’t think we misbehaved that badly just yet, it was very few of us, and they were dealt it by the moderation.
The way CFC moderation has acted here has made me, personally, feel unsafe.
Strange that you say that, moderation here has been making me feel like there is someone to talk to about unacceptable posts, and have made me feel very safe.
Can it be seen as demonstrably true from this statement; that he is planning such violence? No.
Isn’t saying anything like “Violence against so and so should be taken” should be against the rules? In particular when those so and so have done nothing wrong according to the law? It should be if it isn’t yet.
There really is no way of defending Amon’s rather violent opinions unless the rules of the forums just merely allows such opinions to be spoken freely. I assume they don’t, and if they do they shouldn’t.
But why don't you just use #nes then? Non-NES, off topic conversations are clearly beyond the point of the WWW thread.
Thanks EQ, for reminding me of #nes. The living proof for why I am a hundred percent on the side of the rules and moderation in this. In #nes there is no moderation. In #nes I was told several times by ‘people’ that they hope my country is burned and that my entire culture murdered, including support for the Holocaust. I was insulted many times etc… I don’t want that to ever be the state of our forum. I do not want the forum or any OT thread to become #nes or even barely resemble it. Which is why I hope the moderators never ever
ever change their minds in regard to the laws of behavior and inclusivity. If those laws are somehow phased out I feel and fear I will be out of my hobby, for good. I will certainly not be here if insults and calls for my people’s extermination are a normality, and I wouldn’t be able to play in most games here without a law forcing all moderators to accept me into their games.
Like EQ I think the community’s “culture” have gone for the worse, much worse than he assumed thought.
As for this whole “moving”. I think their claims are seriously lacking, and to me it looks like all they want is, well I guess it would just ruin this thread’s sensibility up until now if I say it here too. I said what I think the reasons behind this whole move are in the WWW thread. I am quite certain of it too which is why I don’t see any reason why the moderators should change anything about how things are going. Things are going fine for all those who know how to behave and be inclusive. Only thing I may support is a NESer moderator but I stated my fears from such a move.
