PQ Convention: Quebec Consititution, Citizenship and Referendum

By 2016, will Quebec be independent?


  • Total voters
    40
Yeah that was very informative.

I was under a totally different impression. Here in Ontario everything is written in both French and English, even stuff that has the exact same translation. You go to Quebec - stuff is written in just French. That sort of stuff made me think that the Quebecois have it good and are complaining for no reason.

You're confusing two things - "having it good" and "not being a conquered people". They're not mutually exclusive, nor does one take away the sting of the other.

Quebecers have it good. Very good. There's no question about it. There is also no question that Quebecers were conquered militarily, and, if Canada is to be viewed as the heir to those conquerors (British Empire), then Quebec still occasionally gets told what to do by its conquerors, and forced into roads it wants nothing to do with by them. Which stings, no matter how often we get otherwise left alone. (1982 is the most recent big one. Before that the Conscription crisises were big).

That doesn't change anything about having it sweet. But IF Canada (as many have defended) is to be viewed as an English country which recognize French only as a boon to us (a mighty sweet one), then the conclusion is that Quebecers live under the domination of foreign conquerors, as Quebecers are not themselves English, nor have they chosen to live in an English country (ie, the difference between us and post-conquest immigrants), yet they find themselves living in an english country, where the English (occasionally, but not never) forces specific choices and policies upon Quebecers.

The opposite view, which is taken by many federalists and other supporters of Canada, is that Canada is meant to be a true union of French and English, in which neither language or culture is the "true" culture of Canada - both are, equally (which does not affect the ability of specific region to dispense services in whichever language they deem fitting). In that case, of course, French-Canadians cannot be a conquered people because they are just as much Canadians as English-Canadians, and all of them run the country together (even if, de facto, one group is larger than the other).

This, incidentally, is why it's the less pro-independence Quebecers who tend to get more up in arms about perceived slights on Canadian bilingualism (see: Vancouver 2010 opening ceremony). The more pro-independence crowd feel it's just more proof of what they believe ie that this is not our country. The more federalist crowd view it as an assault on their view of Canada as a bilingual nation that's just as much the French speaker's country as it is the English speaker's.

(It's also why we're wary of multiculturalism and attempt to put French as one of "Canada's many minorities", which we feel basically validate the first view - Canada = primarily english with several minorities including French - over the second view (Canada = French and English, with several minorities among which French isn't counted).

(Me? I want to believe the we-are-Canadian one. Canada can be so much more than Quebec alone. But some people go out of their way to make it hard.)

Now then. The vast majority of us are aware of how good we have it, which is the reason why independence often has a hard time taking off - we don't feel the situation is such that we'd be better off independent. But by that point you're dealing with practical considerations, not emotional ones.
 
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