For the first time, an inhabited island has sunk into the watery embrace of Varuna
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Abaddon
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Worrying, but was always going to happen - global warming or not.
Urederra
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oh, yeah, for first time....
http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html
Have you ever heard of continental drift?
http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html
Have you ever heard of continental drift?
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I particuluarly like how the article makes these broad and sweeping authoritiative assumptions about complete bullfeathers. For example, an island dissapiearing beneath the ocean? OMG GLOBAL WARMING US UPON US!!!! Completely rediculous. I suppose that Venice has been fighting a losing battle with the sea for the last 500 years because of those evil Vikings and their gas-burning curraghs.
It's not a sweeping statement.
Global Warming = Warmer temperatures = Melting Ice = Rising Sea levels. We already know that warmer temperatures caused by global warming are causing a lot of ice at the poles to melt, rising the sea levels.
Global Warming = Warmer temperatures = Melting Ice = Rising Sea levels. We already know that warmer temperatures caused by global warming are causing a lot of ice at the poles to melt, rising the sea levels.
Urederra
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Yeah, but if sea levels are rising, they should rise roughly the same amouth in every place in the globe, specially in oceanic coasts, maybe not that much in more protected seas like the mediterranean, but the fact is that we don´t see that rise everywhere, we just see local risings, or rather land sinkings that could be explained by continental drift/earthquakes/other geological phenomena.
North King
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You're going to blame sinking on the Indian subcontinent on continental drift? I could understand if you did that somewhere else, but in India, that kind of statement is singularly absurd.
skadistic
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What about the Islands in the Carrabian that have been submerged? Indiginous peoples lived on those now sunken islands.
Explain how its obsurd. Are you privy to some secret of tectonic movement that the rest of us aren't?
Explain how its obsurd. Are you privy to some secret of tectonic movement that the rest of us aren't?
JerichoHill
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Much more likely to do with plate tectonics and phenomenon not associated with global warming.
North King
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*cough*
India is smashing into the Asian Plate. That's why the Himalayas are there. Now, that land is rising; the land directly to the south of it fell a little bit because of subduction, but the amount of subduction is not going to change enough to submerge a Bengali island. Furthermore, the supposition that somehow plates have accelerated in motion to be able to submerge an island from one satellite picture to the next, as described in the article, is also absurd. Plates are billions of tons of rock; they do not speed up and slow down on a whim, and the Ganges Delta has not been sinking significantly until the last century or so; in fact, it was building up prior to that.
Now, to suppose that somehow plate tectonics accounts for a rapid shift in sea level is, as I said above, absurd. The plates do not significantly change rates of movement. These are not rocks, nor even boulders, that can be shifted. This is rock on such a scale that, instead of shattering, it tears, simply due to the immensity of the whole thing. To say that somehow it will speed up through a mysterious mechanism that we don't know, on most of the conveniently low islands in the world, is just ridiculous.
India is smashing into the Asian Plate. That's why the Himalayas are there. Now, that land is rising; the land directly to the south of it fell a little bit because of subduction, but the amount of subduction is not going to change enough to submerge a Bengali island. Furthermore, the supposition that somehow plates have accelerated in motion to be able to submerge an island from one satellite picture to the next, as described in the article, is also absurd. Plates are billions of tons of rock; they do not speed up and slow down on a whim, and the Ganges Delta has not been sinking significantly until the last century or so; in fact, it was building up prior to that.
Now, to suppose that somehow plate tectonics accounts for a rapid shift in sea level is, as I said above, absurd. The plates do not significantly change rates of movement. These are not rocks, nor even boulders, that can be shifted. This is rock on such a scale that, instead of shattering, it tears, simply due to the immensity of the whole thing. To say that somehow it will speed up through a mysterious mechanism that we don't know, on most of the conveniently low islands in the world, is just ridiculous.
Yes, but what does that have to do with anything? Plate tectonics (from whitch continental drift evolved into) just goes too slowly to produce these kinds of sea level changes at this rate.
Underseer
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It's not rising everywhere? Whatever gave you that idea? Or is this yet another conservofact you pulled out of your collective butts?
Furthermore, it doesn't rise everywhere by exactly the same amount. It didn't when the sea level rose from the ending of the last ice age, and it's not doing so now either.
Sea level is rising everywhere, and it's been rising faster since the advent of the industrial revolution than it has for the last 8,000 years or so.
Cuivienen
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I agree, though given that islands don't usually disappear this way (usually the top is washed away; in this case, the water rose over the top), it's somewhat warranted. Venice, however, is fighting for its existence because the city is too heavy, though of course global warming only makes it worse.
Urederra
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That is why I pointed out other possible geological causes, in post #6. What I was pointed out is the bad science that fails to contemplate other possible causes to explain the sinking and globalizes a local phenomena.
Common sense. If they were rising everywhere we should have noticed the rising happening in highly populated areas first. You shouldn´t have to go to a exotic island nobody heard of to notice the effect.
It is not my duty to prove that the phenomenon is global. It is the writers of the article´s duty to prove it. I was pointing out the bad science. First, they haven´t thought about other possible causes and second they take a local phenomenom as it were global.
Besides:
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You´d better follow the advices you are giving.
And stop trolling, please.
I haven´t defended the opposite. Have you read my post?
I recomend to follow the advice you were giving at the beginning of your post.
EDIT: and if the sea level has been rising for the last 8000 years or so, it means that the rising is due, at least in part, to natural causes. isn´t it?
Abaddon
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Ure, heard of the moon? That goes a long way to ensure more waters sloshing about the equator
Also due to the earths currents, water levels are higher.. for example due to North and South American being joined (they were once appart) The sea is considerably higher on the West coast.
Why big citys arn't in trouble..? they are! Everywhere citys are expending vast amounts of wealth battling the tides.. this island had no such expendature and so went atlantis on us.
Also due to the earths currents, water levels are higher.. for example due to North and South American being joined (they were once appart) The sea is considerably higher on the West coast.
Why big citys arn't in trouble..? they are! Everywhere citys are expending vast amounts of wealth battling the tides.. this island had no such expendature and so went atlantis on us.
tossi
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I want pictures of an underwater island! Dead palms below the sea level most likely look fantastic!
Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
So, now animals we don't know about are going extinct (White dolphin in China), dictators we don't know about of countries we don't know about are going extinct (dictator of Turkmenistan) and now islands we don't know about are going extinct! Great job everyone! Just one more thing we don't know about that goes extinct and I think we'll get a discount on something!
Really you could understand if this happened in say Greece where one or two Islands are sinking,albeit at a geological rate as they are want to do, due to plates pulling apart, but this is pretty slow even in a region as active as Greece, and besides this isn't happening in the middle of the Indian ocean. Basically as the Earth heats water expands and the sea levels rise. I'm sure they've accounted for any geological reasoning for this unless they're scientific qualifications aren't worth a bean.
Urederra
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A Newfie friend of mine told me that the highest tides on Earth were actually in Nova Scotia, faaaaar away from the equator. And according to this link, he is right.
I know, that is why I didn´t say exactly the same increment, and I gave the example of the mediterranean sea. But anyway, if there is an increment in sea level, it should be noticeable everywhere in the oceans.
Man has been expending money and efforts protecting the coasts battling the tides and the erosion the waves cause for millenia, that is nothing new. The problem is article says that
It took me less than one minute to find a link to the submerged city in Japan I posted in my first post, and if you type "submerged ancient city" in google, you can find many more. That is not something that happens "for first time" as the article claims. And, according to UnderSeen, the sea rising phenomenon is something that has been happening for the last 8000 years, at least.
It seems to me that the journalist who wrote the article ties facts, causes, effects and links consequences too happily.
Well it is pretty sensationalist, what it should say is global warming is causing this to happen, the Earth has been going throuigh a warming period for the last x years, we can directly attribute this deal to something other than geology. Given x, but he obviously has taken what the scientists ahave said at face value. I'm sure though they aren't just making it up to get attention and that their views that the major cause of the flooding is sea temperature rise, is correct, like I said unless their very poor scientists, whether this is post industrial global warming or just the nature of global warming in general over sustatined periods is what I think most people would ask.
