Indonesia discussion

Leugi · May 17, 2013

Stellarnight said:
Awaiting seancolorado's grand arrival

Indeed, we should prepare a fanfare and a party! :lol:

I'm very glad with Indonesia, it seems I may even play them before Brazil...

Zet · May 17, 2013

Not impressed so far. Two unique luxuries is decent in the beginning but weak in the long term. I hope Indonesia has a unique building/improvement to make up for it.

Eagle Pursuit · May 17, 2013

I like the unique luxuries. A built-in monopoly sounds fun to me. It definitely has me more interested than I was. Plus Gajah looks like a badass with his magic rib-tickler.

mitsho · May 17, 2013

It's 4 free luxuries (2 * 2) which is decent. I wonder why they make you settle on another continent though. It's a similar bonus to the Dutch and Arabs though... The Kris warrior is of course the stereotypical part of its bonusses. Surprised they didn't go for a female leader here. Will Maria really stay alone?

AessaSH · May 17, 2013

Gajah Mada whee~ :banana:

Everything is looking great~
But lack of embarkation bonus in their UA.., still make me uneasy.. :run:

Art Grin · May 17, 2013

mitsho said:
Will Maria really stay alone?

Spoiler :

Scaramanga · May 17, 2013

brhlbryce said:
still early here in colorado

wake up seancolorado!!!!

Loaf Warden · May 17, 2013

mitsho said:
I wonder why they make you settle on another continent though.

Probably because Indonesia is a group of islands. This encourages them to be naval.

bob massingbird · May 17, 2013

while I do love the inclusion of Gajah Mada and Indonesian civ, I feel it very odd that the civ will be named "Indonesia" because that name is not used until 19th century during Dutch East Indies colonisation.

Why don't the just call it Majapahit empire or Java empire (altough this willl be inaccurate because Majapahit core territory is Eastern Java, Madura and Bali, but not including western Java which is the territory of Sunda kingdom)

mitsho · May 17, 2013

Art Grin said:
Spoiler :

The pic doesn't show (but since the name shows up, I say Nancy Ward would be more likely, and kinda works with a tomahawk?) Way off topic though. So I shut up

Loaf Warden said:
Probably because Indonesia is a group of islands. This encourages them to be naval.

Sure, but in-game. What's the exact definition of continent in civ5. Do the lonely islands count? (Will Indonesia thus be stronger in the Continents/Pangea Plus maps?)

@bob_massingbird Indonesia has much bigger name recognition. Java maybe, but don't you think of coffee (or software) first there?

AessaSH · May 17, 2013

Mada speaks in Javanese apparently.. (Thanks God)
Is someone able to translate it?? :confused:

mitsho said:
It's 4 free luxuries (2 * 2) which is decent. I wonder why they make you settle on another continent though. It's a similar bonus to the Dutch and Arabs though... The Kris warrior is of course the stereotypical part of its bonusses. Surprised they didn't go for a female leader here. Will Maria really stay alone?

Maybe to simulate that Indonesian people live on the archipelago??

Loaf Warden · May 17, 2013

mitsho said:
Sure, but in-game. What's the exact definition of continent in civ5. Do the lonely islands count? (Will Indonesia thus be stronger in the Continents/Pangea Plus maps?))

As far as I know, it means unconnected land tile. As in, you can't walk from one to the other without embarking. As far as I know.

Feyd Rautha · May 17, 2013

Yet another reason we won't see as many pangea maps! Yay!!

Eagle Pursuit · May 17, 2013

Indonesia will be a powerhouse on archipelago maps.

SammyKhalifa · May 17, 2013

bob massingbird said:
while I do love the inclusion of Gajah Mada and Indonesian civ, I feel it very odd that the civ will be named "Indonesia" because that name is not used until 19th century during Dutch East Indies colonisation.

Why don't the just call it Majapahit empire or Java empire (altough this willl be inaccurate because Majapahit core territory is Eastern Java, Madura and Bali, but not including western Java which is the territory of Sunda kingdom)

So? The Byzantines didn't call themselves the Byzantines either. But "Byzantine" is in popular use today so that's what they used.

Syailendra · May 17, 2013

Stellarnight said:
Kris. A curvy dagger which is the same as what Gajah Mada is holding.
It is a often a symbol of power and authority and holds great spiritual significance among Malay and Indonesian culture.

Yes, thats true, and krises are usually owned by royalties, not commoner. As special as they are, krises are made with extreme precision that a good kris must be able to stand balanced on its tip (imagine the effort to acomplished that with a hammer and anvil).
To many people that phenomenon of a standing sword is surely magical and thus creating many legends on the sword magical abilities.

Veras · May 17, 2013

It always bothered me the fact that most of the time the civs don't want to settle cities on another lands, even in Archipelago.

ArguCa · May 17, 2013

Zet said:
Not impressed so far. Two unique luxuries is decent in the beginning but weak in the long term. I hope Indonesia has a unique building/improvement to make up for it.

Same here.

Morocco seems better and interesting.

Veneke · May 17, 2013

Veras said:
It always bothered me the fact that most of the time the civs don't want to settle cities on another lands, even in Archipelago.

That's my concern with Indonesia as well. Polynesia, another civ which should excel on water maps rarely makes the most of their UA. Hopefully Indonesia will be better but I would not be surprised if the AI underperforms with them.

nunor · May 17, 2013

OP updated with more information about Indonesia's UU - Kris Swordsman - and UB - Candi.

Source: http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/05/17/preview-civilization-v-brave-new-world/

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