Man Made Global Warming is a Media Made Myth
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Strawman? Nobody is denying the fact that there could be future research disproving established theories concerning global warming.
plarq
Crazy forever
Since when is Greenpeace any better?
Greenpeace is marginalized, while conservatives are not.
We should be more worried about powerful idiots than powerless idiots.
There is undeniably correlation between CO2 levels and temperature:
There is also a solid mechanism by which CO2 levels affects temperature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
Therefore it's pretty clear that humanity is causing some global warming. The real question is "how much?".
If you think man-made gloabl warming is myth then how is Al Gore's plane fuel consumption important?
There is also a solid mechanism by which CO2 levels affects temperature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
Therefore it's pretty clear that humanity is causing some global warming. The real question is "how much?".
If you think man-made gloabl warming is myth then how is Al Gore's plane fuel consumption important?
IIRC, we're pumping in about 11.3 gigatonnes of CO2 per annum into the atmosphere.
I think it's supposed to point out Gore's hypocrisy. AGW deniers have many strawmen from which to draw.
It's a large number relative to the normal flux of CO2 in the atmosphere. It's not a large number with regards to how much CO2 ppm increases each year.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Why? It has pretty colours.
Doing my bit to throw my weight against global warming... Saying that global warming is a myth is the same as saying there are no water in the ocean or that there are no trees in the forest. Poor deluded fools!
Sure it snows in Texas... but recent years, there are occasional ice hails here in Singapore.. And we are at the EQUATOR. The climate IS going nuts.
*Global is not just the world becoming warming, it is about the climate pattern going crazy. We are hotter here on the average with irregular cold spells. Not normal.
*It is not the amount of CO2... It is the RATE of which CO2 is being release. We need to slow down.
Sure it snows in Texas... but recent years, there are occasional ice hails here in Singapore.. And we are at the EQUATOR. The climate IS going nuts.
*Global is not just the world becoming warming, it is about the climate pattern going crazy. We are hotter here on the average with irregular cold spells. Not normal.
*It is not the amount of CO2... It is the RATE of which CO2 is being release. We need to slow down.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Strawman? Did you even bother to read the post to which I was responding?
Most of the "man is killing the world" crowd isn't really interested in science. They are simply using global warming as an excuse to further their own political agendas, as they have since the inception of environmentalism. For more details, read Neal Stephenson's excellent novel on this subject:
http://books.google.com/books?id=rY...=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPA14,M1
And the "established theories" to which you are referring are actually hotly contested by many experts in the field today. Most people simply ignore them or try to discredit them because this is really more about politics than it is about science. This can be clearly seen in all the rhetoric from the Al Gore crowd. As far as they are concerned, this topic has been closed to further research and even discussion for years now, and anybody who disagrees with them must be an idiot.
But the obvious question still remains:
Indeed.
Murky
Deity
I'm skeptical of global warming skeptics.
Ziggy Stardust said:
The pretty colours jar my eyes. It has to many divergent shapes and colours to have a half decent impact. I had to tilt my head to make sense of it.
Xyan said:
Rubbish.
Xyan said:
Anecdote =/ Proof.
Xyan said:
Averages over how long? My main problem with "we are hotter here on the average" is that records quite often do not exist over a sufficiently long period to actually discern if this is a natural part of your climate cycle or if it is indeed out of the ordinary. Singapore is also a spectacularly bad example being just over 200 years old.
Formaldehyde said:
For further reference to reality and away from "man is killing the world crowd".
Murky said:
I'm skeptical of everyone. I usually cross check any new climatic claims against what the IPCC has said. Its an effective means of sifting the good from the bad.
EDIT:
Formaldehyde said:
Is that a spoof?
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
And I'm skeptical of anybody who isn't a scientist trying to discuss science other than the issues of ethics and morality. Most people simply don't have the background to understand the basics, much less the advanced topics.
Masada, if you look at the short-term graphs, things actually look worse than they are. Though I wonder why you think we don't know what the climate was like over 200 years ago? There are numerous ways to figure that out.
And the UN's IPCC is a necessary beast, because we're only going to get solutions to polluting the Commons through a global set of treaties. There's no other system or entity by which to enact these changes.
And the UN's IPCC is a necessary beast, because we're only going to get solutions to polluting the Commons through a global set of treaties. There's no other system or entity by which to enact these changes.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
It is in the sense that it is an indictment of the environmentalism movement and their tactics. The Penn and Teller Dihydrogen Monoxide spoof also comes to mind.
Murky
Deity
There are many professions besides science that equip you to understand the basic principles of climate change.
1) Green house gases regulate the temperature of the planet.
2) Increasing green house gases increases the temperature.
3) Co2 is a green house gas
4) We are emitting too much Co2 and increasing the average global temperature.
5) We must find a way to reduce Co2 and other harmful GHG emissions.
I think most 4th graders could comprehend that. The deniers typically only see the problems of addressing the issue, blinding themselves to the dangers of ignoring it.
