bigwillystyle
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This looks tasty. Thank you for posting! I chalked CDG#2 up as a fail, but looking forward to this one. Love the achievements
The Community Deity Game #3 - Ethiopia
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Grendeldef
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I played some 60+ turns until I got a religion and at least one tweak was apparent enough
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I'll agree with you, that wonder set my entire game back but I'm running up at four cities now with NC at a decent time. Not sure if I can pull back from the investment (I did say it was ill advised) but I know it's possible to get the MoH
Nigel_Tufnel2
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t140, no Achievements in sight
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King of the Beers
T119 Not paying attention, attacked by
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I'm starting to hate these NQpangea maps, they're good for MP, but makes it too easy for SP. Way too much resources, can't even sell to AI easily. It also promotes ICS which makes it fun in a way, but probably a challenge if you want to dominate with religion.
I'll agree with you, that wonder set my entire game back but I'm running up at four cities now with NC at a decent time. Not sure if I can pull back from the investment (I did say it was ill advised) but I know it's possible to get the MoH
You should be able to, this game looks like a long game by any accounts, if the achievements were relevant to you. As long as you can prevent any science runaways from launching.
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
Yeah the achievements were accidentally skewed towards ICSing I suppose
Thanks so much! I feel a little bad about the achievement clarification questions, but I guess sooner is better than later...
Just for clarification, can buying GPr be used for this? Obviously, the first two or three should not count.
Am I correct to assume that Ideology tenets do not count? If ideology tree counts for this achievement, is getting all three third-tier picks enough? (I am pretty sure a full Ideology tree is 14 picks.) My suggestion would be any twelve tenets and then your Ideology can count as one of the four for this achievement.
Is it enough that my religion have more cities (than any other religion), or must it have half (or more) of all cities on the map? Also, typo: “the dominant on” should be “the dominant one on”.
That did not occur to me until you wrote it. I was (still am, I guess) thinking DOMful CV where one captures the rival Holy Cities. If I am permitted to use 5000+ faith on GPr, that makes the achievements a little more straightforward.
I have some experience with this. Your own cities will flip back to Judaism with a single inquisitor bulb, no problem there. That said, I think you are better off using a GPr. I pretty much reserve Inquisitor bulbs for after I take rival Holy Cities -- but it really all depends if I get can get Inquisitors cheaply enough. If inquisitors are less than 4x GPr, then you are better off using a GPr. Except in the special case of use with a rival Holy City, GPr bulb acts exactly like a an inquisitor bulb plus a missionary bulb. IMHO, no reason to hate the idea of converting your cities with your own GPr.
Nice scrutiny of OP map! I had to triple check to see the coast even after you mentioned it.
Yes, the river hill is great, but how come no one is settling the coast?
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
some clarification:
1. It must be the religion you founded
2. The second part explains it, you can buy any 3 great people of the same type with 5000 faith other than prophets, they are excluded since their value is different
3. I'm going to allow that, so a full ideology counts as 2 full SPs (dunno why would anyone do that tbqh)
4. A simple majority is enough for this, doesn't need to be 50% of total number of cities on the map, if your religion was in 7 cities and the next one in 6, it scores, ties are not allowed though
1. It must be the religion you founded
2. The second part explains it, you can buy any 3 great people of the same type with 5000 faith other than prophets, they are excluded since their value is different
3. I'm going to allow that, so a full ideology counts as 2 full SPs (dunno why would anyone do that tbqh)
4. A simple majority is enough for this, doesn't need to be 50% of total number of cities on the map, if your religion was in 7 cities and the next one in 6, it scores, ties are not allowed though
If 4 quarries in a religious game aren't enough, I'm not sure what is. Should be able to get quick pantheon and 2nd religion if played correctly.
You actually are contradicting yourself if you consider precise definition of majority.
Maybe in America it has different meaning than English/European, since they only have 2 party systems?
Majority - more than 50%
Plurality - more than any other
So for example, if Taoism has 7 cities, Judaism has 6, Catholicism has 3:
Taoism doesn't have majority, but has plurality, 7/16 is less than 50%
Confusion might also be the alternative names for it, plurality is also called relative majority, or majority, and the majority called absolute/simple majority.
I believe ST wanted Plurality, but I'm not sure.
Finished this up on T240 with absolutely no achievements met - i lost interest in religion after the early game and the map script/AI seemed to induce ridiculously long turn times so i just kinda wanted to get it over.
On the other hand I did induce 2 revolutions for the first time ever so perhaps it wasnt a total failure.
On the other hand I did induce 2 revolutions for the first time ever so perhaps it wasnt a total failure.
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Lord Yanaek
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Honestly, you are arguing about semantics and political terminology here. And for what it's worth, "majority" here in Belgium means "putting half a dozen parties together to have more votes than others"
OK, didn't play it because England is not my favorite civ and i was mostly busy trying to win some DCL games back then. However now might be a good time to get the successor of the ICL running and introduce the same side objectives. I also think achievements would work better on Immortal for many players. I've never been the best Deity player and after some time not playing CiV it seems like i'm worse now than i was earlier this year. I always try to get the achievements in those maps and so far i have failed badly. Assyria i stopped playing because no units = no war and no point playing Assyria. Here i tried to get my religion running but despite founding first, taking Pilgrimage, having 8 cities and producing a missionary every 2.5 turns i simply can't stop Rome from spreading everywhere. It doesn't help that my missionaries can't reach AI cities because they have so many units either. And now WC have been founded by China and i'm way behind in production and culture so i don't think i will finish it. It will be way too grindy.
Those achievements could make an Immortal game more interesting without being overly complicated/tedious/stressfull
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
Whatever, I never waste time with semantics, and the example I gave was clear enough. Plurality it is then, thanks for the clarification
Could be, but I find that the base deity game to be quite boring. Once I stopped losing deity game, it's just the same thing every games. That's why in most of my later deity games, there are some additional self imposed requirements. These achievements do make the deity challenging, even for me. I agree that the Assyria achievement weren't the best, especially the not building units ones directly contradicts UA/UU.
I am have more success with peaceful CV than ever, but southern neighbor launched on T309 and I was still 30+ turns to getting influence everywhere. I am going to reload, hold of building the Musicians Guild until I close out Aesthetics, see if that makes the difference.
Map does not have enough late era strategics for me to get my war on when I would like to…
Map does not have enough late era strategics for me to get my war on when I would like to…
Nigel_Tufnel2
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I would be willing to help host. Immortal is obviously more forgiving of mistakes, and, IMO, more open to an immersion approach, where you aren't as penalized for diversions. Plus players moving up from lower levels may find it more enjoyable.
In the England ICL I created, one objective was to settle a certain NW first, another was to find a hidden sea and record the turn number. Pretty simple to do - there was some tension but it didn't feel like you had to sabotage yourself to achieve them. I personally almost never go more than 2 into Rationalism on Immortal, something like that seems like a decent objective.
I'd rather not hijack this thread - I hope to roll some maps first, and get some ideas (I like to run several tests with Firetuner to watch for imbalances, etc.). I will make a new post at some point to discuss options. Plenty has been written lately (directed towards the CDG mainly), and I think we are assuming that there will be an AckenMod series coming as well.
Lord Yanaek
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Don't get me wrong, i think the idea of the CDG is great and it's the main reason i reinstalled CiV on my computer. However, i've stopped playing for some time and i realize i've lost some skill in that time. In addition i've never considered myself a good deity player. I could win deity games more often than loose them, but i never got to the point where i couldn't loose. CDG is great for you but probably CIG would work best for me
Also, i really don't think this map is that easy, especially not if you try to go for the achievements. I might give it one last try deciding not to go for any of the religious achievements as religion on Deity is just broken. Maybe going 4 cities tradition tall would work. Still have to deal with ultra aggressive China and hyper expansionist William + Culture crazy Pachacuti
AckenMod is interesting but really puts a high emphasis on early war and makes the game (much) harder so it's not for everyone. If there is an AckenMod series coming, i can only hope it will not be all Demigod/Immortal games and there will be lower difficulties as well for those of us who didn't reach Acken skill level
I might give it one last try deciding not to go for any of the religious achievements as religion on Deity is just broken. Maybe going 4 cities tradition tall would work. Still have to deal with ultra aggressive China and hyper expansionist William + Culture crazy Pachacuti
On this map, the achievements, especially the religious one pretty much screams for wide liberty, but if you do that you'll need to prepare for war. I was able to manipulate the AI into fighting each other so the SW neighbor never DoW me until I was ready to expand into her land. Once you can deal with the prophet spam of the NE AI (by bribing other civs to DoW her so that her prophets get captured) the religious spread problem is pretty much solved. My closely spaced cities combined with Itinerant Preachers was strong enough to convert every AI/CS cities close to my borders, and I only need to send GPr onto the western side of continent to convert the remaining 2 civs there.
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