Your favorite follower belief?

Browd · Apr 23, 2014

beetle said:
Do people favor Pagodas over Cathedrals? I thought the artist specialist slot made the latter better? Did things change with BNW?

In BNW, Cathedrals have a Great Work of Art slot, not a Great Artist slot. Great Artists are now generated only by the Artists Guild (one per civ).

The cathedral's GW slot is the only GW of Art slot you can get in the early/mid game besides the slot in your palace and slots in some wonders.

adsin15 · Apr 23, 2014

SammyKhalifa said:
It's not the "best" one but I'm starting to like the +2 happy for gardens one.

Works awesome with Indonesia because their UB is a garden that also gives +2 faith and doesn't require any specific terrain.

Grab that ability and you have gardens available in every city with:
+2 :c5happy:

+2

+25%

Pretty sweet

Abraxis · Apr 23, 2014

Alternately you could use the faith from the Candi to buy pagodas netting some extra culture on top of the happiness.

Though to be honest I prefer not starting my own religion as Indonesia, the pressure from Jakarta tends to crowd out other religions when you want as many as possible.

Sagax · Apr 23, 2014

danaphanous said:
500 for a GP? I thought they cost 1000? And the buildings aren't that expensive in the beginning. ancient/classical/medieval they're dirt cheap.

My bad, it's 1000. But that actually aggravates the situation - the faith building will barely pay off in the remaining <300 turns. They are not expensive in the beginning, but as I said, the Great Prophets are the problem - every spawn of GP nullifies all the faith you have generated and you start again from scratch. So for me it's also a trade-off between these buildings and religion enhancement/holy sites.

Halcyan2 · Apr 24, 2014

Cathedrals wins hands down for me.

I love Great Works, so the extra slot does it for me. (Similarly, I love the Assyrian Royal Library, so when I mod custom civs, I usually pick it!).

For the other religious buildings, Pagodas is second, followed by Mosques and Monasteries. Mosques would rate higher except that you get a free Mosque with the Great Mosque of Djenne.

The other follower beliefs I favor are Religious Community and Divine Inspiration. In competitive games, Religious Community provides the hammers needed to get key wonders in time. Divine Inspiration is fun if I go wonder-whoring. In addition, it is a belief that you can usually benefit from, but AI's get very little benefit from (especially if you prevent them from getting wonders).

If you have high faith production, then Holy Warriors can be awesome early on.

beetle · Apr 24, 2014

Browd said:
In BNW, Cathedrals have a Great Work of Art slot, not a Great Artist slot...The cathedral's GW slot is the only GW of Art slot you can get in the early/mid game besides the slot in your palace and slots in some wonders.

Okay, so Cathedral >> Pagodas!

Sagax said:
the faith building will barely pay off in the remaining <300 turns.

The faith buildings pay for themselves (in faith) much quicker than that if you can get them early enough. They are worth the faith cost alone for culture and happiness, so the fact that they are essentially free makes them a no-brainer.

The Great Prophets are the problem - every spawn of GP nullifies all the faith you have generated and you start again from scratch. So for me it's also a trade-off between these buildings and religion enhancement/holy sites.

The first four or five GP have minimal cost, so much so that I have not bought any missionaries in my last several games. I only rarely burn a GP on holy sites, as I would much rather use them to get influence with CS.

Doktor Vic Tim · Apr 24, 2014

I suppose Monasteries can be a good substitute for some religious buildings when going for Sacred sites, since Monasteries are slightly cheaper, meaning you can fire them up sooner unless you have crazy faith per turn

Myth and Legend · Apr 24, 2014

beetle said:
Okay, so Cathedral >> Pagodas!

Depends. For a tall science game or a warmonger one, the extra happiness from the pagodas will be much more valuable.

For a culture victory, I'd go for Cathedrals.

beetle · Apr 24, 2014

Myth and Legend said:
Depends. For a tall science game or a warmonger one, the extra happiness from the pagodas will be much more valuable. For a culture victory, I'd go for Cathedrals.

I respectfully disagree, but I very much appreciate the discussion and dialog. I have been wrong on this board before!

Maybe for wide/liberty Pagodas work out better, but for your tall game (science or otherwise) you are giving up 4 happiness for, at a minimum, an extra policy and a GA. I have not run the numbers, but it seems pretty clear to me that (given the choice) Cathedrals would net out significantly better even when you are not pursing a cultural victory!

Dedrytus · Apr 24, 2014

Cathedrals/pagodas/masques are problematic when you plan to puppet cities, because only Venice can buy buildings in puppeted cities. I personally prefer happiness from temples or from every two cities following my religion.

Halcyan2 · Apr 24, 2014

Dedrytus said:
Cathedrals/pagodas/masques are problematic when you plan to puppet cities, because only Venice can buy buildings in puppeted cities. I personally prefer happiness from temples or from every two cities following my religion.

There are ways for non-Venice civs to get religious buildings (Cathedrals/Pagodas/Mosques/Monasteries) in their puppeted cities.

joncnunn · Apr 24, 2014

Doktor Vic Tim said:
I suppose Monasteries can be a good substitute for some religious buildings when going for Sacred sites, since Monasteries are slightly cheaper, meaning you can fire them up sooner unless you have crazy faith per turn

If you have sufficient Wine or Incense, Monasteries are great even without Sacred Sites since they will pay for themselves quickly. Going Piety it's even quicker. But without a local source, for Sacred Sites I'd pick another religious building option if it's still available.

joncnunn · Apr 24, 2014

Dedrytus said:
Cathedrals/pagodas/masques are problematic when you plan to puppet cities, because only Venice can buy buildings in puppeted cities. I personally prefer happiness from temples or from every two cities following my religion.

Even if you annex the cities it could be problematic to acquire enough faith to faith buy a full set for every city within a wide empire weather self built or conquered.

beetle · Apr 24, 2014

Dedrytus said:
Cathedrals/pagodas/masques are problematic when you plan to puppet cities, because only Venice can buy buildings in puppeted cities. I personally prefer happiness from temples or from every two cities following my religion.

Good point, and I will usually pick that follower belief first if I can, but its usually gone by the time my religion is founded. I find it pretty common for me to have a choice between two or three faith-purchased buildings though.

Halcyan2 said:
There are ways for non-Venice civs to get religious buildings (Cathedrals/Pagodas/Mosques/Monasteries) in their puppeted cities.

Please elaborate!

Your favorite follower belief?

Browd

Dilettante

adsin15

Warlord

Abraxis

☮

Sagax

Emperor

Halcyan2

Emperor

beetle

Deity

Doktor Vic Tim

King

Myth and Legend

Prince

beetle

Deity

Dedrytus

Warlord

Halcyan2

Emperor

joncnunn

Senior Java Wizard

joncnunn

Senior Java Wizard

beetle

Deity

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