News: TSG111 Announcement

leif erikson · May 28, 2015

Civilization 5 - Game of the Month Training Series Game 111
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Welcome to the 111th game in the GOTM V Training Series! This Series will allow new and old GOTM fans to try out these features from Civ5's expansions and DLCs in a friendly environment. Participants are encouraged to post questions, stories, advice, tricks and failures in the dedicated game threads (described below). Each game will specify the Civ you will play and the Victory Condition to strive for. You can read more about the GOTM and Training Series concept in this thread.

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Civ V BNW - TSG111 Details:

Player (You): Nebuchadnezzar II - Babylon
Victory Condition: Science but all other VCs are enabled.
Difficulty: Immortal
Civs/City-States (including player): 8/18
Map Type/Size: Pangaea/Standard
Game pace: Standard

Game options:
Start - Ancient Era
Enabled - None
(Regardless of starting options, you may turn on/off Quick Combat/Quick Movement using the game options menu at any time during gameplay.)
Game Version: This game was created in Civ5 Brave New World version 1.0.3.279.
Game Requirements: Wonders of the Ancient World, Babylon and Korea DLC, Gods and Kings expansion, Brave New World Expansion.

Unique Attributes: Babylon

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Monthar · May 29, 2015

I think I'll move the warrior to the gold hill and see if it's worth crossing the river to settle. If not I'll settle in place. I also noticed we have 2 extra CSs and since it requires Korea as well, they are likely one of the AIs.

cazaderonus · May 29, 2015

How can that end in anything but a tradition turtle SV ? ^^

IronfighterXXX · May 29, 2015

OK, we have river, coast, salt, but where is mountain?

StrideColossus · May 29, 2015

Enabled: None

What does this mean exactly? There are no ticks in the advanced game options? or there are no ruins?

- stride

leif erikson · May 29, 2015

StrideColossus said:
Enabled: None

What does this mean exactly? There are no ticks in the advanced game options? or there are no ruins?

- stride

That means that all the options are left at default, none of the options are checked off. So there are ruins.

IronfighterXXX said:
OK, we have river, coast, salt, but where is mountain?

Sorry about the mountain...

This is one of the best starts I ever rolled, in all the years I've been doing this, so decided to use it and see how fast you guys can get to Science victory using it.

Of course, that says nothing about the surrounding terrain. :mischief:

Best of luck.

Olodune · May 29, 2015

leif erikson said:
Of course, that says nothing about the surrounding terrain.

There are also two extra city states which I naturally assume you've placed in the worst possible location

leif erikson · May 29, 2015

Well, you should know by now to never trust a mapmaker! :shifty:

MarsupialRogue · May 29, 2015

There has to be a mountain around here somewhere...

budweiser · May 29, 2015

Worker first, mining, archery>writing. ToA, yes?

Manpanzee · May 29, 2015

Nice start :drool:

I'm still obsessing over Liberty, and this looks like a reasonable place to mess around with that. No mountain in the capital = incentive to go a bit wider and spread pop around

Mandaliet · May 29, 2015

Oh boy, salt again.

I wonder how likely it is that the water leads to an ocean and is not just a lake.

Knowtalent · May 29, 2015

Budweiser, are you forgoing scout monument initial build. Looking at the tech path its usually about 20 turns for writing, going your path its another 7 turns before you can plant that GS

Monthar · May 29, 2015

Mandaliet said:
Oh boy, salt again.

I wonder how likely it is that the water leads to an ocean and is not just a lake.

Fish won't appear in lakes, so that is coastal. Of course, it might not connect with the main ocean. That is it might have just enough water tiles to be called ocean instead of lake, or might be blocked by ice.

JimmyAAA · May 30, 2015

I also see some flood plains over there - so either that river wraps or more likely, there is a junction up north. Possible another ocean and a blocking city?

Olodune · May 30, 2015

JimmyAAA said:
I also see some flood plains over there - so either that river wraps or more likely, there is a junction up north. Possible another ocean and a blocking city?

I think that is flat desert (based on the tile yield). You could sacrifice most of the good tiles for a chance at Petra.

If you want to stare into the fog it looks like there is a coast/lake to the NE of the forest ...

alflames · May 31, 2015

this great start almost grants GL, i don't know why we shouldn't risk it, even on inmortal, 4 -5 choppable tiles before turn 35 (since capiptal will grow towards the wheat and gold, you'll only need to buy 2-3 tiles to get them, and since there are so many CS and you have salt and gold, looks like you'll have the gold)

you seem to miss only one wheat if you aim for petra, but youl'll miss the river which can become necessary to rush up spaceship if you aint got the gold, so it will depend on there beeing desert hills, its babylon so i think i'tl be asy to have 3 GS before renaisece (if you build GL, HG and take liberty, there's no way you don't get them), placing a GS on a desert hill is a win-win, since you'll have 14 food 4 prod on those 4 tiles you see

on the other hand, its damm vs solar panels, so maybe river is worth loosing, argh, what a complicated start choice-less starts are way easier

but only if the desert is hills if its all plains i'd rather place my GSs on marsh to gain those 2 necessary turns

that wheat is tempting me not to build shrine before grannary, i guess it will depend on ruins, if i get one of thos handy +1 pop ruins at the begining, il go for shrine if i don't... well its effing tempting, so i still don't know, need to play this game NOW

alflames · May 31, 2015

so my first mov before settling will be warrior -> north east to check for deset hills

this will be the first game since i started playing 11 months ago where i'll make research agreements, that will be my challenge

because i know with my usual game play there'll be no chance i end the game before turn 380, and i'd love to rush that, i just hope korea starves at the beggining ot that they'll miss every wonder they try so making RA with them wont be a risk

Olodune · May 31, 2015

Manpanzee said:
I'm still obsessing over Liberty, and this looks like a reasonable place to mess around with that. No mountain in the capital = incentive to go a bit wider and spread pop around

Do you think the Babylonian UA is more beneficial to Liberty? I'm not sure, but I think so. A Babylonian 6th city would typically have more GS GPP, but also will have a higher hurdle to spawn a scientist.

Manpanzee · May 31, 2015

Olodune said:
Do you think the Babylonian UA is more beneficial to Liberty? I'm not sure, but I think so. A Babylonian 6th city would typically have more GS GPP, but also will have a higher hurdle to spawn a scientist.

Maybe, yeah. It's something worth thinking about... More cities should theoretically get more Great Scientists, which means you can get by with less natural beakers. Theoretically.

But Babylon also naturally gets to Philosophy a lot sooner than other Civs, which means that the "natural" National College start time is sooner. Which means that taking time to found more cities before NC causes a more meaningful delay to NC time than with other Civs. On these settings I think a Bowman rush is something to really think about. You don't need a Library pre-NC in every city if some of those cities are puppets...

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