Nice job guys. Olodune, how you got that empire looking so good early is great. Nice job hicks. Do you fight more than one war at at time? peddroelm, this is what I've been looking for. I can read about it til the cows come home but seeing it done is the way I learn.
The Deity Challenge Lineup - Game # 1 - The Zulus
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hicks53081
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I would loved to have fought more than one war at a time, but my happiness was teetering the entire game. The last screen shot is misleading about my happiness. It wasn't until I was heading to fight Dido that I adopted protectionism (2+ happiness for each lux) which caused my happiness to jump through the roof. I had a massive reserve army that could have started fighting earlier, but I was getting whales and gold through Dido, and I couldn't afford to lose those.
RedRover57
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I haven't had time to play the game more than a few turns here and there, but I was able to get things back into control by converting to Order, which erased +27 of my unhappiness. There is still a bit of an issue with ideology pressure however, as both Babylon and Shoshone have now taken Freedom, so that added to the large amount of pressure from Dido's Autocracy is a pain. I was finally able to make peace with Shoshone after taking their city next to my territory. I was also able to make peace with England after taking a city that they took previously from Siam (and I sold it back to Siam) and also taking Wellington (which England captured with a large fleet that they apparently brought all the way around the continent), which gives me more oil, aluminum and a much needed coastal city for trade routes. I am beelining for Plastics (later than I would like) and have 5 GS saved up to bulb after research labs are built. This should vault me into the tech lead (currently only 2 techs behind the leader). Then I can deal with Dido. Science victory would be easy from here, but boring.
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Somehow I missed this little dagger into my warmongering heart. Pfft, I tell you.
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Grendeldef
Trancerelic & coffeeholic
DV @ 180
That's to save the fellow lurkers from navigating through a wall of text.
Apparently there's life after Paris so I decided to paly hide & seek with Pocahontas - he's hiding behind the GW and due to bad scouting I'm seeking quite a few things not not very actively as it's hot and this leopard skin cock-piece isn't most comfortable one. Washy was hammering Nappy into oblivion so I placed few labour unionist blocking his entrance to Orleans with surprising success. Rammy is less effective against Lizzy and Nebby is buildding Xbows like there's no tomorrow. That isn't too far from the truth but I''ll wait for few more turns before DoWing. My war with Lizzy isn't advancing anywhere unless her CS allies start bothering me.
T143 WC by me which was bit of a surprise but I probably go few brownie points for suggesting that WF would be cool in near future. Taking Moson Kahni two turns later was less widely appreciated. Rammy wanted 30% discount on everything and even Washy wasn't too keen on that saying that I was getting some global attention with liberation missions - I thought there was no such thing as bad publicity.
Sold two Poca's cities Washy to keep'em hugging each other which slightly backfired as one was razed by a CS and Nappy spreaded the metric system to the other one.
DoWed Nebby ~T150 after which Rammy the Ineffective Slack denounced me and Wasshington backstabbed just in time before our DoF ran out. Obviously I returned the favour to Washy and he immediately popped the question - I was a bit worried that this might be a proposal but to my relief it was just a start of war. I was decently prepared for this but some of my troops were positioned unfortunately and my preemptive road-building near his capital wasn't complete and a general reserved for a citadel #2 was still on the wrong side of Paris.
Quickly killed his left-over units near Paris, took closest city, razed it, placed two citadels near Washington like a hungry IRS bear to cut down his income. The Neddy war was done more in a leisure manner - few pot shot here & there but the lack of 3-range units made it a stalemate - not that I had much of objections sunbathing in the trenches. As soon as I got few longer arms of the Zulu law on site Babylon started to go down. His schools produced capable engineers in an impressive rate so I curiously waited for few turns and got LToP & Globe T as bonuses on T160.
I also made peace with Lizzy and got Michael York's older bother the city of York in return. I wasn't into slavery or puppeteering so I swapped that for mushrooms with Rammy to keep the lazy bastards fighting. No success on that front so Rammy got curious about my archery team's hangaround members by his border. Since we couldn't agree in civil manner that I should get his cities we decided to have an honest duel. I was fine with that as long as I was allowed to win and that seemed likely.
Hit industrial T164 by bulbing which helped as unlike in my original plan trebuchets got one-shotted by American cities and with just 2 Xbows nearby the war was rapidly escalating into mutual dislike between us. After I beat the Americans in Washingtonball 2-1 I got half a dozen wonders with no serious hit on my happiness on T170. I was in no hurry to make peace with him as he wasn't much of a threat anyway. Few troops were sent to Paris in case the Corsican Shorty had any vile ideas.
The Last few turns were spent lazy shooting some elephants, taking York to be able bomb some land near London and swarming the city. Few lost units here & there but nothing serious so Sukhotai T177 and London as last one on T180.
General thoughts - Shaka+salt+Pangaea isn't even funny. I was nowhere as bored as I expected but I just don't like Pangaea. AI didn't have a clue what might be handy in terms on national success which really isn't a novelty.
Most surprising thing was the lack of happiness problems even without CSs allies/friends. In past with Liberty that's been an obstacle but this was eased by fact that I didn't take many crappy cities in the first place. Money income was way better than expected nor did I much use it apart from upgrades.
Managed a pantheon but English missionaries popped on my territory right after T40 so I gave up the idea of own religion. 1 Pagoda, 1 Uni & 2 Monasteries was what I got out of it.
Full Liberty & then left side of honor - without culture one is saved from the dilemma of choosing between multiple good policies.
As the start was what is was I made few rules for myself partly because the AI needs all the help it can but mainly to amuse myself during the game. So few NOs in the game
- wonders/nationals, apart from NC which I regretted as soon as it was build
- bought/build workers - all were stolen at some point + the one from Liberty
- internal trade routes
- CS quests fullfilled, apart from one accidental one when I got my salt back. Not a penny given to CSs either so no friends/allies
- barb camps cleared = 0
- annexed cities, 4 own cities - others puppets or razed
- no stolen techs though I almost accidentally screwed this up but luckily my spy was killed
- pillage & repair is a no go for me anyway
Nowhere near as bad as I expected so thanks for resurrecting the concept. Pretty much std lazy man's game for me - I'm just not cut (at least not anymore) for speedy games - I prefer minimizing the troop movement as it's still appalling.
I also got rid of the UI mod in the middle of the game as it was more annoying than helpful. The latter pics are also on lower reso as dropped the game's video quality to have some decency in turn times.
That's to save the fellow lurkers from navigating through a wall of text.
Apparently there's life after Paris so I decided to paly hide & seek with Pocahontas - he's hiding behind the GW and due to bad scouting I'm seeking quite a few things not not very actively as it's hot and this leopard skin cock-piece isn't most comfortable one. Washy was hammering Nappy into oblivion so I placed few labour unionist blocking his entrance to Orleans with surprising success. Rammy is less effective against Lizzy and Nebby is buildding Xbows like there's no tomorrow. That isn't too far from the truth but I''ll wait for few more turns before DoWing. My war with Lizzy isn't advancing anywhere unless her CS allies start bothering me.
T143 WC by me which was bit of a surprise but I probably go few brownie points for suggesting that WF would be cool in near future. Taking Moson Kahni two turns later was less widely appreciated. Rammy wanted 30% discount on everything and even Washy wasn't too keen on that saying that I was getting some global attention with liberation missions - I thought there was no such thing as bad publicity.
Sold two Poca's cities Washy to keep'em hugging each other which slightly backfired as one was razed by a CS and Nappy spreaded the metric system to the other one.
DoWed Nebby ~T150 after which Rammy the Ineffective Slack denounced me and Wasshington backstabbed just in time before our DoF ran out. Obviously I returned the favour to Washy and he immediately popped the question - I was a bit worried that this might be a proposal but to my relief it was just a start of war. I was decently prepared for this but some of my troops were positioned unfortunately and my preemptive road-building near his capital wasn't complete and a general reserved for a citadel #2 was still on the wrong side of Paris.
Quickly killed his left-over units near Paris, took closest city, razed it, placed two citadels near Washington like a hungry IRS bear to cut down his income. The Neddy war was done more in a leisure manner - few pot shot here & there but the lack of 3-range units made it a stalemate - not that I had much of objections sunbathing in the trenches. As soon as I got few longer arms of the Zulu law on site Babylon started to go down. His schools produced capable engineers in an impressive rate so I curiously waited for few turns and got LToP & Globe T as bonuses on T160.
I also made peace with Lizzy and got Michael York's older bother the city of York in return. I wasn't into slavery or puppeteering so I swapped that for mushrooms with Rammy to keep the lazy bastards fighting. No success on that front so Rammy got curious about my archery team's hangaround members by his border. Since we couldn't agree in civil manner that I should get his cities we decided to have an honest duel. I was fine with that as long as I was allowed to win and that seemed likely.
Hit industrial T164 by bulbing which helped as unlike in my original plan trebuchets got one-shotted by American cities and with just 2 Xbows nearby the war was rapidly escalating into mutual dislike between us. After I beat the Americans in Washingtonball 2-1 I got half a dozen wonders with no serious hit on my happiness on T170. I was in no hurry to make peace with him as he wasn't much of a threat anyway. Few troops were sent to Paris in case the Corsican Shorty had any vile ideas.
The Last few turns were spent lazy shooting some elephants, taking York to be able bomb some land near London and swarming the city. Few lost units here & there but nothing serious so Sukhotai T177 and London as last one on T180.
General thoughts - Shaka+salt+Pangaea isn't even funny. I was nowhere as bored as I expected but I just don't like Pangaea. AI didn't have a clue what might be handy in terms on national success which really isn't a novelty.
Most surprising thing was the lack of happiness problems even without CSs allies/friends. In past with Liberty that's been an obstacle but this was eased by fact that I didn't take many crappy cities in the first place. Money income was way better than expected nor did I much use it apart from upgrades.
Managed a pantheon but English missionaries popped on my territory right after T40 so I gave up the idea of own religion. 1 Pagoda, 1 Uni & 2 Monasteries was what I got out of it.
Full Liberty & then left side of honor - without culture one is saved from the dilemma of choosing between multiple good policies.
As the start was what is was I made few rules for myself partly because the AI needs all the help it can but mainly to amuse myself during the game. So few NOs in the game
- wonders/nationals, apart from NC which I regretted as soon as it was build
- bought/build workers - all were stolen at some point + the one from Liberty
- internal trade routes
- CS quests fullfilled, apart from one accidental one when I got my salt back. Not a penny given to CSs either so no friends/allies
- barb camps cleared = 0
- annexed cities, 4 own cities - others puppets or razed
- no stolen techs though I almost accidentally screwed this up but luckily my spy was killed
- pillage & repair is a no go for me anyway
Nowhere near as bad as I expected so thanks for resurrecting the concept. Pretty much std lazy man's game for me - I'm just not cut (at least not anymore) for speedy games - I prefer minimizing the troop movement as it's still appalling.
I also got rid of the UI mod in the middle of the game as it was more annoying than helpful. The latter pics are also on lower reso as dropped the game's video quality to have some decency in turn times.
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I finished on turn 389 (I think). I am fine with being excluded from the spreadsheet for extreme stupidity and not keeping the Victory Screenshot
(Well except for double moving units into the Fog of War very early in the game. But you know better 
The Pilgrim
Deity
Well... of course! I could ask you if you had other suggestions, but I won't. It's PG rated forum, yes?
The good news, it seems like I managed to remove the problem. The bad news, I accidentally deleted my entire Civ folder with all the screenies, saves, hof db and such from last two years give or take.
Alright i finally decided to enter this game but not without checking spoilers. I did survey very fast and didn't see much about ressources and luxs around excepted capital(missed the 6 iron tile for proof 
).
Since that i have been into Tradition a lot more than Liberty lately and even got success in similar games without Lib i didn't want to screw everything and stickied with Tradition. It will be also a good way to compare unusual strats.
My special approach consists into stealing at least 2 workers(1 from cs and AI) and rush buy a granary in 2nd city. Then focus on archers until construction. Tradition until Monarchy and maybe +food in capital then Honor.
Stole a worker from Valetta and Nabu. Everything went well for the first 40 turns and suddenly France attacked me around the turn 42. He throwed 3-4 warriors, 3 archers and a cat. Most of my units where in 2nd city and didn't expect at all a visit so early from Nappy...but i killed his melee units in time.
It was my turn to visit his capital. Piece of cake when AI has unit to defend. Had bribed Pocatello against France as well. Unhappiness was pretty high but that's because a total of 4 unique luxs weren't connected yet(traded my unique dye to Poc).
And now it was time for Pocatello to die. He killed 2 or 3 CBs into this thougher war because he built the Great Wall. I almost decided to burn a gg for a citadel but i didn't. The capital is mine and got some nice wonders like Great Wall, HG and GL.
I started the NC for 3 turns...the switched for spearman. Thing is that i need units before reaching Civil Service and science is high enough i think. Probably that some next cities will have a university to accelerate for Xbows later. Will have to check with civ i need to take care next(thoughts?) Culture is slow(no monuments from cities taken!) unfortunately i will try Oracle in 2nd city i guess and rush buy from capital with Ikanda built.
I didn't do some XP farm excepted on AI civs
).Since that i have been into Tradition a lot more than Liberty lately and even got success in similar games without Lib i didn't want to screw everything and stickied with Tradition. It will be also a good way to compare unusual strats.
My special approach consists into stealing at least 2 workers(1 from cs and AI) and rush buy a granary in 2nd city. Then focus on archers until construction. Tradition until Monarchy and maybe +food in capital then Honor.
Stole a worker from Valetta and Nabu. Everything went well for the first 40 turns and suddenly France attacked me around the turn 42. He throwed 3-4 warriors, 3 archers and a cat. Most of my units where in 2nd city and didn't expect at all a visit so early from Nappy...but i killed his melee units in time.
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It was my turn to visit his capital. Piece of cake when AI has unit to defend. Had bribed Pocatello against France as well. Unhappiness was pretty high but that's because a total of 4 unique luxs weren't connected yet(traded my unique dye to Poc).
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And now it was time for Pocatello to die. He killed 2 or 3 CBs into this thougher war because he built the Great Wall. I almost decided to burn a gg for a citadel but i didn't. The capital is mine and got some nice wonders like Great Wall, HG and GL.
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I started the NC for 3 turns...the switched for spearman. Thing is that i need units before reaching Civil Service and science is high enough i think. Probably that some next cities will have a university to accelerate for Xbows later. Will have to check with civ i need to take care next(thoughts?) Culture is slow(no monuments from cities taken!) unfortunately i will try Oracle in 2nd city i guess and rush buy from capital with Ikanda built.
I didn't do some XP farm excepted on AI civs
DingleBirdy
Chieftain
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Thanks a lot. I appreciate that.
DingleBirdy
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I just read your update, Tabarnak. Geeze..I really want to see how your game goes. That terrain getting to Paris was a pain and I am blown away you were able to get Paris and Moson Kahni eliminated by turn 75. Would be interesting to see the details behind it all.
Me too
.. My game is on pause - had guests for a few days - but I'll get it done .Turn 104 update:
After making peace with the Shoshones i retreated immediately near my capital. On turn 76 i already been DoWed by Elizabeth and Dido the 2 farthest civs. They were blocked by neighbors and the threat was inexistent. I've just declared war to Siam because it's simply the best war path available. The idea is to turn left again into Liz and finish the Babs when returning. I also annexed Moson Kahni and Paris when possible.
Captured Siam's cap fairly easily using Impis to clear the path for CBs and even bombard city too.
The next turns have been interesting...lost Oracle by 2 turns but managed to build the Statue of Zeus. Liz offered me peace in return of 29 gpt that i refused. I bribed Washington earlier to attack Dido and he did almost nothing...he probably lost a couple of units but that's all. He made peace a bit later and returned his army into me.
So now i'm at war with Liz and Wash and i'm trading with Babs and France to try to delay other backstabs(France is particulary annoying he doesn't stop putting more cities around Paris). I have approx. 10 Impis and 7-8 CBs but they are dispersed a bit. I'm still beating classical units around me so it seems that the AI don't tech very fast.
When i will secure the north part(after Liz and Babs) i will push all my army into Washington and Dido.
Nice things:
-allied 2 merc. cs(1 with a gm from Paris and a barb camp)
-Impis are op
-4 CBs are very close of getting the +1 range promo
-Leading demographics
-Cash flow is great
Bad things:
-Culture is slow
-Lost Oracle
-Rebuilt many caravans
-Put some gold into failed bribes
-France is surrounding Paris with many cities
After making peace with the Shoshones i retreated immediately near my capital. On turn 76 i already been DoWed by Elizabeth and Dido the 2 farthest civs. They were blocked by neighbors and the threat was inexistent. I've just declared war to Siam because it's simply the best war path available. The idea is to turn left again into Liz and finish the Babs when returning. I also annexed Moson Kahni and Paris when possible.
Captured Siam's cap fairly easily using Impis to clear the path for CBs and even bombard city too.
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The next turns have been interesting...lost Oracle by 2 turns but managed to build the Statue of Zeus. Liz offered me peace in return of 29 gpt that i refused. I bribed Washington earlier to attack Dido and he did almost nothing...he probably lost a couple of units but that's all. He made peace a bit later and returned his army into me.
So now i'm at war with Liz and Wash and i'm trading with Babs and France to try to delay other backstabs(France is particulary annoying he doesn't stop putting more cities around Paris). I have approx. 10 Impis and 7-8 CBs but they are dispersed a bit. I'm still beating classical units around me so it seems that the AI don't tech very fast.
When i will secure the north part(after Liz and Babs) i will push all my army into Washington and Dido.
Nice things:
-allied 2 merc. cs(1 with a gm from Paris and a barb camp)
-Impis are op
-4 CBs are very close of getting the +1 range promo
-Leading demographics
-Cash flow is great
Bad things:
-Culture is slow
-Lost Oracle
-Rebuilt many caravans
-Put some gold into failed bribes
-France is surrounding Paris with many cities
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@Tabarnak
This is a very interesting approach. 3 caps before t100.. nice.
Getting GW certainly helps a lot in this early conquest game, as all AIs will DoW you (or you DoW them) you have to leave some defense units at the back line, and with GW you can put more units at the front line.
Will be waiting for your next update.
This is a very interesting approach. 3 caps before t100.. nice.
Getting GW certainly helps a lot in this early conquest game, as all AIs will DoW you (or you DoW them) you have to leave some defense units at the back line, and with GW you can put more units at the front line.
Will be waiting for your next update.
Grendeldef
Trancerelic & coffeeholic
Indeed, though I was more drooling over the 12 happiness @T75 with 4 puppets. My limited imagination practically prevented me from even trying anything like that as I was preparing myself for a much longer game. The positioning of American & French settlements had a minor impact.
Reasons why I started with the wars with Dido instead of someone were that she's one guaranteed to backstab even without a proper opportunity and she was the only one not generally liked nor befriended with anyone. A small obvious bonus geography as taking cities didn't really open up new front for anyone to attack me.
Also, no question that the Impi is OP but I'd also say that a T10 worker is seriously OP for a player and 4 free workers around T30 is basically an I WIN button hence it might make some sense to limit in some way the stealing of workers in some future challenges.
Reasons why I started with the wars with Dido instead of someone were that she's one guaranteed to backstab even without a proper opportunity and she was the only one not generally liked nor befriended with anyone. A small obvious bonus geography as taking cities didn't really open up new front for anyone to attack me.
Also, no question that the Impi is OP but I'd also say that a T10 worker is seriously OP for a player and 4 free workers around T30 is basically an I WIN button hence it might make some sense to limit in some way the stealing of workers in some future challenges.
