Fluphen Azine
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The Deity Challenge Line-up #18 - Babylon OCC
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Shark Diver
King
Damnit. I'm already beyond 6 (Michelob Ultra), I'll have to play tomorrow.
Has it already been 2 weeks?
Shark Diver
King
This will be my first OCC game ever. I'm quite certain I'll not do well, but will try something different
..just for fun.
Shark Diver
King
Yes, but he needs a bit of work on his diplomacy.
@Ironfighter: I like reading your posts, and respect your skill at this silly game, but it would be appreciated if you don't insult the guy who has put in a lot of work to keep these challenges going.
Acken
Deity
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I'm going for Diplo. CV may be possible but that looked like a very slow end game (despite babylon being able to compete on tech I doubt you'll have very high tourism at the end). Also it's continent so no trade routes bonus if you settle near the mountain. So I'm now going for a Diplo victory and trying to get it fast since the fastest diplo isn't very fast on the spreadsheet
I'm going for Diplo. CV may be possible but that looked like a very slow end game (despite babylon being able to compete on tech I doubt you'll have very high tourism at the end). Also it's continent so no trade routes bonus if you settle near the mountain. So I'm now going for a Diplo victory and trying to get it fast since the fastest diplo isn't very fast on the spreadsheet
I have no doubt a player of your caliber will have any trouble winning subt200 with diplo
with this map.This would be a subt200 SV for pro players easily if it wasn't OCC
Acken
Deity
I won't get T200. The WC was created approximately 10turns too fast or 15turns too late, I'll get 230 ish, without this problem I would have got 210ish. That's why I usually don't do diplo it's really annoying to depend on when the WC is formed in renaissance. There was no way for me to reach Information era before T195 (2nd council) (by approx 10 turns).
Also tbh I'm fairly sure our games are very similar, there's only so much you can do on OCC with science.
I'll probably give it another shot later from my T100 save and see if I can force the WC in early T120 or delay T145 (but it's unlikely on deity).
Also tbh I'm fairly sure our games are very similar, there's only so much you can do on OCC with science.
I'll probably give it another shot later from my T100 save and see if I can force the WC in early T120 or delay T145 (but it's unlikely on deity).
consentient
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Nice victories everyone. As I said in the OP, this map is not easy-peasy for everyone. I am happy for those better players who can win Deity almost every time. But one thing I've consciously tried to do in hosting this series is open it up to people outside the select group of the 'Top Finishers' and encourage them to improve.
Anyway, KB, in my play through I'm having problems with one of the neighbours. I started the play through a couple of weeks ago when I chose the map and in continuing am still having problems. Will discuss in detail in my final write-up. I'm going for CV. Don't think it's impossible if I can persuade the world to stay at war constantly. Obviously this breaks the KB idea of not putting DoWs on the bargaining table, but it is probably the only way to restrict the culture of the yellow player, who will for sure be the worst in my game.
I'd really like at least one other player to go for a CV. Maybe you CAN replay KB? If a player as sh*tty as me managed to pull off the only OCC CV on this map it would be a total disgrace.
If Ironfighter is still floating about, consider the gauntlet thrown.
@acken
"and see if I can force the WC in early T120 or delay T145"
What's the rationale behind this?
Anyway, KB, in my play through I'm having problems with one of the neighbours. I started the play through a couple of weeks ago when I chose the map and in continuing am still having problems. Will discuss in detail in my final write-up. I'm going for CV. Don't think it's impossible if I can persuade the world to stay at war constantly. Obviously this breaks the KB idea of not putting DoWs on the bargaining table, but it is probably the only way to restrict the culture of the yellow player, who will for sure be the worst in my game.
I'd really like at least one other player to go for a CV. Maybe you CAN replay KB? If a player as sh*tty as me managed to pull off the only OCC CV on this map it would be a total disgrace.
If Ironfighter is still floating about, consider the gauntlet thrown.
@acken
"and see if I can force the WC in early T120 or delay T145"
What's the rationale behind this?
budweiser
King of the Beers
Acken - coastal CV might be easier.
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
Shark Diver
King
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An AI that gets a tech ruin is very likely to get Writing in it. They will then start building GL, and I've seen it go on T20-25 very often. There is zero point trying for it on Deity. OCC NC is not a great strategy because by the time you've done making it, the expo spots are likely gone and/or you'll get DoW'ed by Monty/Oda. Even for OCC, you should be concentrating on growth and defence.
On Emperor and below, GL is a sure-fire way of taking the tech lead in the Classical era. But it's too risk on Deity, and you should be concentrating on building units and infrastructure. The God Tier civs can take the tech lead in late Medieval/early Renaissance, and if you want it, even a vanilla civ can take it late Ren/early Ind, except in cases of very poor starts.
For a OCC with Babylon, you're doing something really wrong if you don't take the tech lead pretty early. Keeping it, and translating it into a VC, is something else entirely. It can, and will go wrong for a lot of people.
What do you think about a CV, then, KB?
On Emperor and below, GL is a sure-fire way of taking the tech lead in the Classical era. But it's too risk on Deity, and you should be concentrating on building units and infrastructure. The God Tier civs can take the tech lead in late Medieval/early Renaissance, and if you want it, even a vanilla civ can take it late Ren/early Ind, except in cases of very poor starts.
For a OCC with Babylon, you're doing something really wrong if you don't take the tech lead pretty early. Keeping it, and translating it into a VC, is something else entirely. It can, and will go wrong for a lot of people.
What do you think about a CV, then, KB?
GerrardCapashen
Benalish Master-at-Arms
Observatory helped A LOT (gonna play the map again sometime); I'm thinking of settling in the same spot and playing it kinda similarly to how I played it the first time and hope someone takes out France again. Got the tech lead probably even in classical or medieval easily.
Only difference is that I won't be building the music guild early, and that instead of buying GS I'll buy GE to help out. I could easily get internet and airports with Babylon in this start around the time I usually get plastics in a normal game. I'll also focus a bit more on faith. Heck I'll even make my second GP a GE if I get ToA, just swoop down to workshops!
Because there's only one city, you don't worry about gold that much at all. You can rush-buy anything needed and the only thing your cap needs to hard-build is wonders.
Losing +40% from TR to civs on a different continent sucks, but there are too few coastal resources to justify losing observatory. (not to mention the careful need to have a navy in case someone decides to attack; if you settle near the mountain you just need to keep an eye on Germany and America, which is easy to do); you just have to hope the civs on the other continent are culture gimps except one, then you GM bomb the last one (most likely the Inca) and see how it goes.
I think you should go ahead and finish rat with OCC (I burnt the finisher on something completely irrelevant, like flight or smthg because I mistimed plastics); you want both the +17% from unis and the +50% from RAs go be active as soon as possible.
Observatory makes a huge difference of course.
nickytootricky
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I think I'm being dumb as the only way I could upload a screenshot was by attaching it as a rar... am I missing something obvious?
Cheers for organising it consentient - do you upload the scores or do I have to do anything?
Acken
Deity
World leader happens 10turns after the first WC in the correct era so timing WC (printing press) is important. You can either try to achieve it after 2 propositions requiring on this map to delay the WC around T145-150 or you could try to achieve it after 3 in that case for the same timing (early 200) you would have to make it T120-125. A WC turn 135 is either too late or too early (for an early 200 information timing) as you will probably end up taking 3 proposition and therefore wasting 20 turns in the end.
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