Final Civ List.
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, y'all!
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
Just wonder how are you going to represent Malaysia and Singapore? Combine them into Indonesia?
Alternatively, how about adding ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations)?
Alternatively, how about adding ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations)?
ianinsane
Prince
I guess we'll split it between Thailand and Indonesia. The continental part to Thailand, the island part to Indonesia...
As of now, they will be a part of our "minor civilization" civ.
We decided to include as many south east Asian micro states as possible, and forgo having a united ASEAN. From what I have read, the ASEAN as a trade group is a lot about keeping the member nations independent, as opposed to say the EU, who's goal is uniting foreign policies/economies.
Down the road (after version 1.0's release) we will most likely create a second scenario, which has a lot less civs, and more unions. The ASEAN will certainly be a part of that one.
We decided to include as many south east Asian micro states as possible, and forgo having a united ASEAN. From what I have read, the ASEAN as a trade group is a lot about keeping the member nations independent, as opposed to say the EU, who's goal is uniting foreign policies/economies.
Down the road (after version 1.0's release) we will most likely create a second scenario, which has a lot less civs, and more unions. The ASEAN will certainly be a part of that one.
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
Since I am doing city placement now, I would like to know more clearly about the civ list in here. (I suppose the list on the first post in this thread is the latest?)
1) Western Europe seems to be grouped into EU, neutrals and NATO, am I correct?
2) What is the difference between independent African and African Union?
I can see the intelligent reasons behind these groupings. Hopefully, they won't look too ugly when they are actually plotted on the map
1) Western Europe seems to be grouped into EU, neutrals and NATO, am I correct?
2) What is the difference between independent African and African Union?
I can see the intelligent reasons behind these groupings. Hopefully, they won't look too ugly when they are actually plotted on the map
Let's see:
1) Yes, that's right. The UK is part of NATO and the Swiss are neutral, otherwise they are all included in the EU civ.
2) In essence, if the countries are not either in the Failed States list, nor the Independant African States list (both are in the opening post), then they are to be used in the African Union.
1) Yes, that's right. The UK is part of NATO and the Swiss are neutral, otherwise they are all included in the EU civ.
2) In essence, if the countries are not either in the Failed States list, nor the Independant African States list (both are in the opening post), then they are to be used in the African Union.
NATO civ constitutes:
UK capital
Turkey
Iceland
Norway
Croatia
Albania
Everything else except for switzerland is EU, cept for Ukraine and Belarus, they are independant Civs.
Looking at it im really looking forward to playing NATO, stranglehold over the North Sea, Bosphorus Straits and English Channel
UK capital
Turkey
Iceland
Norway
Croatia
Albania
Everything else except for switzerland is EU, cept for Ukraine and Belarus, they are independant Civs.
Looking at it im really looking forward to playing NATO, stranglehold over the North Sea, Bosphorus Straits and English Channel
Glad to have you on the team Genghis_Kai! Obviously your work creating the GEM had already been a huge part of this mod, before you even found us.
The most up to date civilization/leader list is here. I'm pretty sure the first post here is accurate too, I'll go over it.
All of those civs are in our CIV4CivilizationInfos file, and will be in the map I'll be uploading tomorrow morning.
1) Western Europe- exactly right.
2) Independent African states will be Morocco (capital), Libya, Zimbabwe, Kenya, and possibly others including one or more on the ivory coast.
Some countries in Africa will be failed states; (Somalia, Equatorial Guinea, Chad.). We can change these as governments fall or become unstable, war breaks out, etc. Perhaps someone can find a better list.
Others have their own civs (Nigeria, Sudan, etc), for some we can also use the minor nations civ; and then the rest will be African Union. The AU ones should be countries that are more closely aligned with the USA/west.
Africa is going to take some playing around with to get perfect. Basically it should be splintered as much as possible with the civs we have available to us. I think the idea is to have every African country represented by at least one city.
If you'd like me to start by taking a crack at they way I see us doing Africa and possibly the middle east, I could do that, you could improve on it and then do the rest. Or if you want to do it all, by all means please go for it.
The most up to date civilization/leader list is here. I'm pretty sure the first post here is accurate too, I'll go over it.
All of those civs are in our CIV4CivilizationInfos file, and will be in the map I'll be uploading tomorrow morning.
1) Western Europe- exactly right.
2) Independent African states will be Morocco (capital), Libya, Zimbabwe, Kenya, and possibly others including one or more on the ivory coast.
Some countries in Africa will be failed states; (Somalia, Equatorial Guinea, Chad.). We can change these as governments fall or become unstable, war breaks out, etc. Perhaps someone can find a better list.
Others have their own civs (Nigeria, Sudan, etc), for some we can also use the minor nations civ; and then the rest will be African Union. The AU ones should be countries that are more closely aligned with the USA/west.
Africa is going to take some playing around with to get perfect. Basically it should be splintered as much as possible with the civs we have available to us. I think the idea is to have every African country represented by at least one city.
If you'd like me to start by taking a crack at they way I see us doing Africa and possibly the middle east, I could do that, you could improve on it and then do the rest. Or if you want to do it all, by all means please go for it.
how's this comming on lads ? i've been thinking of doing a modern day one myself , but have struggled to get to grips with XML as i now have a girlfriend
as soon as you're ready to do some basic testers i'm your man , looking forward to launching those nukes or being the obama second comming depending ..
as soon as you're ready to do some basic testers i'm your man , looking forward to launching those nukes or being the obama second comming depending ..
sure , i'd probably be best suited to city placement and sizing and building plotting for all those citys if i was to contribute , but you all seem to be way ahead of me and jeleen seems to have the map in hand , so if i can get first dibs on actually playing it , i can give you guys some directions on bugs and A(un)I pitfalls
as i think i'll die if i have to wait till CivV for this mod to come out , closest i've seen to it was maxriga's , but the map was . .. .. .. . and nowhere near enough civs involved to make it interesting
as i think i'll die if i have to wait till CivV for this mod to come out , closest i've seen to it was maxriga's , but the map was . .. .. .. . and nowhere near enough civs involved to make it interesting
Ok, we will continue the discussion that started in the map thread here.
We are choosing starting civics for every civ. We may as well also pick a favorite civic for each. I will quote the ones that Bahmo has finished in the other thread.
We are choosing starting civics for every civ. We may as well also pick a favorite civic for each. I will quote the ones that Bahmo has finished in the other thread.
Bahmo, is changing the Religion category to Media the only change I should make there?
Also, do you have any other ideas for images to use as buttons, or should we start looking for them? I can make the buttons in five minutes once I have the images.
Also, do you have any other ideas for images to use as buttons, or should we start looking for them? I can make the buttons in five minutes once I have the images.
Since the single favorite civic is very important (civs stick to it, try to get others to convert), I think we should pick one category, and pick all the favorite civics from it.
Economy probably, that is what most countries argue over, and seems to be the main difference between rival nations.
We should also get our ideologies finalized, countries will also try to get you to switch to their ideology. These two areas are closely related, Bahmo I would love to hear your thoughts on what we should use for final ideologies. (everyone else too)
Economy probably, that is what most countries argue over, and seems to be the main difference between rival nations.
We should also get our ideologies finalized, countries will also try to get you to switch to their ideology. These two areas are closely related, Bahmo I would love to hear your thoughts on what we should use for final ideologies. (everyone else too)
A couple of these civics need to be changed ( though I don't know what to change them to, I don't know what the civics are)
Legal is not Martial Law, the military is not in control of Israel's legal court. Labor, I'm not sure what professional is (could you clear this up ). And the media is not state censored. Israel has one of the freest presses in the world, and is very far away from being censored by the government.
In the case of media, thanks for the information, so by all means change that one. As to legal, it's important to remember that when I talk about legal civics in Civ4, I don't mean constitutions. Mapping out an entire constitution would in itself take not only many new civics, but many new civic categories. So while Israel does have laws rather than force of arms, many parts are also under martial law, and as it stands now it's the only Civic that allows conscription. In fact, based on what I've heard of him, maybe Martial Law should even be Olmert's favorite civic, but again, more info is needed. Additionally, it's not all that consequential that Martial Law fell under the legal category; it's just that it fit best there, and we couldn't think of much else.
