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Anyone else have a opinion? Also I can not copy my map into the post. I got it all colored but I can't copy it into here to be posted. HELP!? Can someone tell me how to post it here please?

You should join Milanese/Orthodox Catholicism.

Edit: Posted before I saw your conversion; I would be happy to forge an alliance when the game resumes.
 
Do we have a list of nations and players yet? Maybe grouped by continent or area?
 
Do we have a list of nations and players yet? Maybe grouped by continent or area?

Not grouped by continent but here is a list.

Barbary States
Byzantine Empire
Celtic Kingdom of Wales
Duchy of Toulouse
Empire of the Dragon
Eternal Empire of Japan
Grand Duchy of Milan
High Kingdom of Mide
Kingdom of Bosnia
Kingdom of Egypt
Kingdom of Jerusalem
Kingdom of Paris
Kingdom of Tibet
Kolkatan Empire
Mongol Empire
Pearl River Kingdom
Principality of Catalonia
Qi Dynasty
Republic of the Crimea
Sultanate of Malacca
Sweden
Tsardom of Russia
Union of Flanders
Zimbabewe
Dardanelles
 
I've grouped them, except for the lat two which i don't know where they go.

Empire of the Dragon
Eternal Empire of Japan
Mongol Empire
Pearl River Kingdom
Kingdom of Tibet
Qi Dynasty
Sultanate of Malacca

Barbary States
Byzantine Empire
Kingdom of Egypt
Kingdom of Jerusalem
Dardanelles

Duchy of Toulouse
Grand Duchy of Milan
Kingdom of Paris
Union of Flanders
Celtic Kingdom of Wales
Principality of Catalonia

Republic of the Crimea
Tsardom of Russia
Sweden
Kingdom of Bosnia

Zimbabewe
High Kingdom of Mide
Kolkatan Empire
 
Nope still can not pm people! Anyway when will the game start?

You need to have been around for 5 days and have a postcount of 5 before you are allowed PMs.

I've grouped them, except for the lat two which i don't know where they go.

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Zimbabewe
High Kingdom of Mide
Kolkatan Empire

The Kolkatan Empire is in Eastern India.

DT
 
I think if you have 30 posts and have been a user for a week you get to do custom avatars. Might be 50 or longer.
 
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@The Milanese Catholic states (Or whatever you're calling it)

What exactly are you guys schisming from? As for joining Oriental Catholicism or Milanese Catholicsm, that's up to you. Its true that hanging out in China we can't physically do much to help you right now.

That said, I think if you want to start with anything resembling RL Catholicism you'll probably have to schism off of us, or outright declare heresy from the Celto-Catholics or Cathars. It might be easier to schism off of us.

Whatever you guys do, the Empire of the Dragon is willing to work with you. Your religion is much closer to ours than any other religion in the world, including the Celto-Catholics. You would be, however, throwing out the baby with the bathwater as it pertains to Celto-Catholic revelations.

We highly doubt any of your Catholics will exist in our lands, but if they do for some reason, we will respect their rights to worship, in return for the protection of any Oriental Catholics in your region.

And whhile, of course, we don't consider your pope to actually be the pope, we are more than willing to openly discuss religious policy. Our theological disagreements are fairly minor, and you seem to have one very notable saint outside your canon:p


What baby? Celto Catholicism is a vulgarised syncretism of the divine and Catholic faith with Celtic Polytheism. The rumours of certain sacrifes reveal it is a gravely fallen religion and its tritheism is contrary to monotheism. Catharism on the other hand, although still deviating from the original Catholic Faith of which it is a descendant is purer in its intent, as made quite clear in the uprightness of the perfecti and posesses less theological erorr.

Milanese Catholicism is in disagreement with Catharism only in that it upholds the sacramental understanding that Catharism lost, and in that it understands the good and evil are in an unequal relationship as compard to the Cathar idea of good and evil being in binary opposition, with a "Lord of this world" being equal in might to God.
 
...and Russian Orthodoxy is the closest religion to RL Chirstianity FYI
 
What baby? Celto Catholicism is a vulgarised syncretism of the divine and Catholic faith with Celtic Polytheism. The rumours of certain sacrifes reveal it is a gravely fallen religion and its tritheism is contrary to monotheism. Catharism on the other hand, although still deviating from the original Catholic Faith of which it is a descendant is purer in its intent, as made quite clear in the uprightness of the perfecti and posesses less theological erorr.

Milanese Catholicism is in disagreement with Catharism only in that it upholds the sacramental understanding that Catharism lost, and in that it understands the good and evil are in an unequal relationship as compard to the Cathar idea of good and evil being in binary opposition, with a "Lord of this world" being equal in might to God.

Your Church is not connected in any way to the historical Catholic Church (IC) even though your entire religions' claims to Truth are supposed to be based on Apostolic Succession, your religion literally popped up out of nowhere. The Celto-Catholic Church, on the other hand, was a natural result of a mixture of paganism with the truth of Christianity. The important thing, however, is it was a mixture. The historical Church was corrupted by paganistic influences, but these influences took truth and corrupted it slowly over time. Eventually, we realized that the small minority who held the truth had slowly drifted away from the established Church.

Your religion has totally forgotten Lugha, who was the Saint of War. Who do you guys pray to before going to war? Augustine? Oh, sorry, he was a Celto-Catholic himself:p

You've totally forgotten the epics of St. Lugda, which are NOT forgotten in the Oriental Church.

In addition, Milanese Catholicism forgets that the Church of God actually started in the East, and replaces Eastern rites with Western ones. While not explictly forbidden, this change in the Celto-Catholic Church led to Tritheism, so its forbidden now in the Oriental Catholic Church.

Also, while it is true that some of us believe John the Baptist and Lugha (In addition to Mary) were sinless, this is not a dogmatic pronouncement of the Eastern Church, it is an opinion of some theologians.

Really, we do have a lot of common ground on our views on Tradition, beliefs regarding the Saints, confession, exc. Our wish is that your Church will return to Christ's Church.

Below is the areas where we differ from Celto-Catholicism
Spoiler :
Essential Tenants:

1. There is only one God, who has become commonly known as "The Dagha" which is an acceptable name of the deity, however, the divine liturgy uses the names used in the Old Testament. However, "The Dagha" is the common name, derived from Celto-Catholicism.

2. This God is in three separate persons (The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) as Christianity IRL has it.

3. Lugha was never a god, however, he is a saint, and along with the virgin Mary and John the Baptist, is commonly regarded as one of the three sinless humans to live (Unlike Jesus, however, none of these mens' sinlessness is undisputed in the Church.) While Lugha is not a God, he is sometimes prayed to during times of war, like other saints, he's the patron saint of warfare.

4. The Holy Eucharist, when given in proper context by a priest in the Oriental Catholic Church, becomes... (Insert Transubstantiation here.) We do not believe this occurs in the Celto-Catholic Church, or any other Church, save the Church of God, the Oriental Catholic Church.

5. We believe that the Holy Bible is divinely inspired and completely true, however some of it (Like Xu Kong I killing a dragon) is legend designed to teach a truth. We believe that the earliest Apostles did not have all the information on how to run a Church. Therefore, we believe that, in addition to the Bible, Holy Tradition and the Word of the Pope are also considered to be perfect truth.

6. Epic legends such as the Lifetime of Saint Lugha are read in the Liturgy as equal to Scripture; the Biblical canon did not end with Revelation.

7. The Unbelievers will suffer eternally in Hell, while the faithful Oriental Catholics who refrain from sin and go to confession for the sins they fall into shall be received into the Hall of Saints and eternal glory in Heaven. The status of the Celto-Catholic Church is somewhat unclear. Some theologians believe they may be saved, others do not. The Pope has not made an infallible ruling.

...and Russian Orthodoxy is the closest religion to RL Chirstianity FYI
 
Your perceptions of history are clearly skewed. The surviving records all indicate that Christ was crucified in Jerusalem. Sure the records are a bit tatty thanks to the red death but it is clear that Christianity originated in the middle east as compared to the far east as the east asian anomaly would suggest.

Lugda is a celtic intrusion into christianity, this is indicated by the fact he is recognised only in celtic influenced regions and in your own country, which as previously mentioned is a paradoxical anomaly in east asia that requires further study to understand.

All in all Jerusalem, Paris and Milan collectively fart in your general direction and proclaim that the celtic derived traditions are gravely heretical, where the Cathar tradition, although heterodox, preserved within itself the corpus of Truth which has now been restored to the light in the form of the Orthodox (Milanese) Catholic Church.

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PS: We pray for the intercession of St Michael the Archangel, holy patron of the Church and commander of the heavenly host for protection in battle ;)
 
Confucian thought does not force the belief of deities upon anyone unlike other beliefs. The Qi Dynasty recommends that the French government endorse the teachings of Confucius. Confucian followers are also widespread, as opposed to the geographically limited Christian religions, allowing for the recognition of wisdom and force of a nation among the international, rather than the regional, field.
 
Our rock is better than your gods, just sayin'.
 
Japan lets every Japanese to believe in what he wants, as long as he serves the Emperor.
 
KOF (kingdom of France) would like to see an agreement between Oriental Christianity and Milanese Christianity if plausible. We will stay friendly to those with Oriental Christianity but we only allow Milanese Christianity in our kingdom.
 
A reconciliation with the orientalists is easily achievable. All GW needs to do is dispense with his "oriental Catholicism" and throw it in the dustbin of history where it belongs, and adopt the Orthodox (milanese) Catholic faith.

Perhaps if he's agreeable we can even throw him a bone and consider the east asian church as sui iuris, autonomous (sort of like the eastern Catholic churches IRL)
 
Russian Orthodox is the true Orthodox. :p
 
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