Design Thread - For Discussion and Review
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Urdnot_Scott
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Ferdinand could end up with some silly XP buffs if taken to the extreme. Shrine, Temple, 4 religious buildings, arsenal, barracks, military base, stationed GG, four holy sites (could easily be more, especially with the GG replacement I could see way more than that) and the BG? Thats... 170 experience out of the gate! Obviously you probably wont be able to nab all 4 religious building beliefs but that's still insane - and thats not even the logical extreme, which would be 320 experience out of the gate. Might need some tweaking. The faith from kills I don't like simply because its so overused now - its used in some form or another in a vanilla UU and a religious belief and I've seen it in a lot of modded civs as either UUs or UAs, its just naut very exciting anymore. I like the Hidalgo; works with the UA but could be OP given the extra 10xp from holy sites. The Peones is a tad simple (and essentially Chinas UA) but solid, and works with the UA, so thats fine.
No complaints about Portugal, really cool design. Dunno how easy it'd be to code but its interesting and all the uniques work pretty well together.
Cacador is also pretty cool, if sliigghtly powerful but Maria has never been top tier anyway so its fine that way. That said the name does give me some... [URL="http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/14/Cazador_up_close_and_personal.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130116225621]nasty flashbacks[/URL].
No complaints about Portugal, really cool design. Dunno how easy it'd be to code but its interesting and all the uniques work pretty well together.
Cacador is also pretty cool, if sliigghtly powerful but Maria has never been top tier anyway so its fine that way. That said the name does give me some... [URL="http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/14/Cazador_up_close_and_personal.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130116225621]nasty flashbacks[/URL].
Hmm. Might set a hard limit to it and tone it down (+5 XP each?) +25 XP max wouldn't be too much, would it? I wanted to do a Faith+War Civ without overlapping with DJS' Bosnia or ryanjames' Protectorate. Maybe units adjacent to Missionaries gaining a combat bonus?
Thanks! I was worried it might be too much, but the hardest part to code will probably be the Nau's bonus when within 3 tiles of a Trade Route - if not possible, I may drop that entirely, but I think it will be easy enough.
The UA shouldn't be too hard, as one part is taken care of the in SQL thanks to the trigger that gives Babylon its Great Scientist upon Writing and Venice its Merchant of Venice upon Optics, the other... I think it shouldn't be too hard as well. If it is, I might ask for help. The UU is literally a total pastiche of things: JFD's Dayimo from the Meiji, JFD's SS Comanders from Hitler, CL's Voyager from Canada, and it's very possible. In fact, I think I have overused the "units adjacent gain a bonus" and the "bonus when garrisoned" recently thanks to me figuring out the code snippet for those. It's actually surprisingly easy.
As for the Caçador, it means Hunter in Portuguese, which is why you associated it with Fallout's Cazador (which is IIRC the Spanish word for Hunter), because it is pretty much just JFD's Jaegar historically-wise, just... Portuguese.
Thanks! I was worried it might be too much, but the hardest part to code will probably be the Nau's bonus when within 3 tiles of a Trade Route - if not possible, I may drop that entirely, but I think it will be easy enough.
The UA shouldn't be too hard, as one part is taken care of the in SQL thanks to the trigger that gives Babylon its Great Scientist upon Writing and Venice its Merchant of Venice upon Optics, the other... I think it shouldn't be too hard as well. If it is, I might ask for help. The UU is literally a total pastiche of things: JFD's Dayimo from the Meiji, JFD's SS Comanders from Hitler, CL's Voyager from Canada, and it's very possible. In fact, I think I have overused the "units adjacent gain a bonus" and the "bonus when garrisoned" recently thanks to me figuring out the code snippet for those. It's actually surprisingly easy.
As for the Caçador, it means Hunter in Portuguese, which is why you associated it with Fallout's Cazador (which is IIRC the Spanish word for Hunter), because it is pretty much just JFD's Jaegar historically-wise, just... Portuguese.
Uighur_Caesar
Comandante en Jefe
Yep. "Cazar" means hunt, not to be confused with "casar" which means marry.
I agree with the cap on Castille's UA since it could end up giving too much XP. I also really like that Henry the Navigator split. I find it unbelievable how no one has made a split for him yet.
In Portuguese it's Caçar vs Casar, because of the weird relationship Portuguese has with C, S and Z sounds. So we have words like Piscina (swimming pool) which has a hard S sound, Casar (to marry), which is written with an S but has a soft Z sound, Xadrez (Chess) which has a Z with an S sound, Caçar (to hunt), which has the Ç which looks like a C but has the sound of an S vocally, Massa (pasta), which has a strong S sound...
I wonder how we manage with so many rules.
I think I might change from Henry the Navigator to João II. João II actually ruled.
I wonder how we manage with so many rules.
I think I might change from Henry the Navigator to João II. João II actually ruled.
Uighur_Caesar
Comandante en Jefe
Eh, I like Henry better than Joao and everyone who wants to split Portugal wants to make Joao. Also, Gandhi never ruled India so there's a precedent.
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
Dat Ferdinand perfectly fits my playstyle!!!! I like it!
Its like saying: "I like Richard more than Edward".
And I didn't make a Joao!!!(or did I?)
But he was the leader of the independence movement. Henry was no leader, and had no pretension to be one, While João II or Manuel I were both kings that encouraged naval expansion.
Now this is a bit little awkward because our Portugal revisions are basically the same, except that I have no Capitão-Mor (Couldn't fit them into any Portuguese leader, the Nau and the Feitoria are too good to ditch in favour of it) and Maria I ironically gets a Marquess uu alongside with the Caçador (And he replaces the Gatling Gun, rather than Rifleman). A part of the UA, for instance, is very much alike:
As for Castille, other than what Scott has already said, I feel that the Peones should get another bonus as well; nothing wrong with the current one but it feels a little shallow compared to other modded civs.
I think we have confirmed that me and tarcisio are clones of one another (especially since part of my family is from Recife while I live in São Paulo).
Isn't this the second time this has happened?
Well, at least we can go together in this, or something.
Isn't this the second time this has happened?
Well, at least we can go together in this, or something.
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
Korea split!!!
Silla(Muyeol)
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Goryeo
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Joseon(Sejong)
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Middle Joseon(Seonjo)
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Righteous army: units under AI control that will attack the closest enemy units in your territory. If your territory is clear from enemies for more than 6 turns, it disbands and grants great general points based on its experience.
citizen is born, gain 
points towards a True bone based on the number of specialists in the city. True bones may be consumed for large amounts of 
golden age. May use 
great works and +3 
science. Grants +1 
production per each improvement type present in a city, per each era passed. 
). Enemies receive no terrain\ fortification bonuses against it, But the Hwacha does receive those bonuses.
), it is much stronger(32 Split completed!
2 much icons for 1 post.
FramedArchitect
Reluctant Modder
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
I think JFD means he doesn't want this thread to become a thread that focuses entirely on getting modders to do suggested ideas.
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
@Natan
Well... [brainstorming intensifies]
Tatau Promotions
Tatau Ta Aeto - Unit may attack again if it kills an enemy unit, though this second attack has -25% power.
Tatau Ta Gata - Enemy units attacked by this unit continue to take damage for three turns after being attacked.
Tatua Ta Mumua - This unit receives no movement point cost when embarking or disembarking and does 20 damage to all adjacent units when moving from sea to land.
Tatua Ta Manuki - This unit moves at double rate through jungle and generates double experience when attacking units in jungle or forest.
thoughts guys?
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Now that you mention, it would be fun to have a civ that cannot gain faith through conventional means and must earn it somehow, but this is not the time for that.
Well... [brainstorming intensifies]
SamoaLeader: Tamafaiga
UA: Malie Toa, Malie Tau
When a unit destroys a non-barbarian enemy unit, theCapital and the city in which that unit was trained generate 1
faith per turn, increasing to +2
experience of that unit is instantly turned into
culture.
UB: Tufuga ta Tatau (Replaces Shrine)
The Tufuga ta Tatau is automatically built in all conquered cities and the
UU: Toa (Replaces Swordsman)
The Toa is slightly stronger than the Swordsman it replaces and receives the unique promotion 'Headhunter' which causes all units adjacent to the Toa to receive -10%combat strength for 3 turns whenever the Toa kills an enemy unit. When trained, the Toa instantly generates
Tatau Promotions
Tatau Ta Aeto - Unit may attack again if it kills an enemy unit, though this second attack has -25% power.
Tatau Ta Gata - Enemy units attacked by this unit continue to take damage for three turns after being attacked.
Tatua Ta Mumua - This unit receives no movement point cost when embarking or disembarking and does 20 damage to all adjacent units when moving from sea to land.
Tatua Ta Manuki - This unit moves at double rate through jungle and generates double experience when attacking units in jungle or forest.
thoughts guys?
DoctorMcGann
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One thing, not on design, but while I knew Bionicle had heavy Polynesian influence, I didn't know Toa was a Samoan word.
On design: I like the idea, but that could be seriously overpowered. It's not hard to get levels on your units. Or is it just faith per kill? The word 'generate' confuses me.
On design: I like the idea, but that could be seriously overpowered. It's not hard to get levels on your units. Or is it just faith per kill? The word 'generate' confuses me.
Zantonius Hamm
Gay anime communist
DoctorMcGann
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Not sure how to interpret that...
Hoop Thrower
Cyberbolivarian Inkarri
For one I think it's the most creative take on the "Generate Faith from kills" idea.
Zantonius Hamm
Gay anime communist
No, I thought that was weird as well.
DoctorMcGann
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Same, at first I wondered if it was a different Karl...
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