C2C - Wonder Civs

Hydromancerx · Jun 5, 2011

@JosEPh_II

Thanks. Glad someone liked those "farm" buildings. Seemed like everyone hated them back then.

And when I mean "balanced" I mean things like we don't have a butt load of gold where the game becomes too easy. Nor do I want to have a game where making the shipwright was too hard for anyone to get (which is why it was changed). In short i want a challenging game that is not frustrating. If that makes sense.

I also really enjoy putting in special Easter Eggs that only show up with the right conditions such as the bonus resources. If I ever manage to learn how to do events I would like to put some Easter Eggs in there too.

Baradar67 · Jun 5, 2011

I ramble on a bit don't I?

Thanks for the welcome and the kind words.

There are obviously a bunch of ways of doing this and I just added my own thoughts. I'm really enjoying the mod but I also really like flavour units and buildings so losing them would be a step backwards IMHO. I think they can be kept in and achieve what Hydro is after.

I really like the idea that the first generic tribes become full blown civs with sedentary lifestyle. Once reached, the player then chooses which civ they are or they can create their own and choose which UU's and UB's they want. A lot of work and probably a lot of programming but isn't this an ideas thread?

strategyonly · Jun 5, 2011

Hydromancerx said:
If I ever manage to learn how to do events I would like to put some Easter Eggs in there too.

Yeah i wish "we" had a person that knew how to do events, plus i really like Quests, now that would be fantastic.

Hydromancerx · Jun 11, 2011

Embassy Wonders

Core Civs

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Additional Civs

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Unfinished

If you guys have ideas on what 2 resources should be needed for civs let me know.

Thunderbrd · Jun 12, 2011

I'll try to remember to go through this later and propose suggestions wherever there are gaps. Good concepts going here!

Sword_Of_Geddon · Jul 14, 2011

I love the idea of your primitive prehistoric tribe developing into a certain civ later, fantastic idea Hydromancer, I mean it.

What you guys should do is incorporate more Civs into the mod if you implement this.

Maybe if your tribe has tendacies towards building things, they could become the Egyptians, or if they discover agriculture first, maybe they could become the Incans or Aztecs.

Just some ideas.

strategyonly · Jul 15, 2011

OK still cant get the old UU to work even though i changed the UnitClassInfo/UnitInfo:

Code:

<Class>UNITCLASS_AZTEC_JAGUAR</Class>
			<Type>UNIT_AZTEC_JAGUAR</Type>
			<PrereqBuilding>BUILDING_AZTEC_EMBASSY</PrereqBuilding>
			<PrereqTech>TECH_OBSIDIAN_WEAPONS</PrereqTech>

Nothing seems to work?? Ideas anyone??

Thunderbrd · Jul 15, 2011

The unit class shouldn't be jaguar, should it? Shouldn't the unit CLASS be the same as the swordsman with the unit TYPE being the jaguar? Not sure if that would be messing with anything exactly - art references not being there and thus making the whole thing not come up right?

Hydromancerx · Jul 15, 2011

Thunderbrd said:
The unit class shouldn't be jaguar, should it? Shouldn't the unit CLASS be the same as the swordsman with the unit TYPE being the jaguar? Not sure if that would be messing with anything exactly - art references not being there and thus making the whole thing not come up right?

Actually that sounds a lot like what I had to do to make the UB their own
buildings. I think you need to add a the in for the the CIV4UnitClassInfos for each of the ex-UU. Such as ...

Code:

		<UnitClassInfo>
			<Type>UNITCLASS_AZTEC_JAGUAR</Type>
			<Description>TXT_KEY_UNIT_AZTEC_JAGUAR</Description>
			<iMaxGlobalInstances>-1</iMaxGlobalInstances>
			<iMaxTeamInstances>-1</iMaxTeamInstances>
			<iMaxPlayerInstances>-1</iMaxPlayerInstances>
			<iInstanceCostModifier>0</iInstanceCostModifier>
			<DefaultUnit>UNIT_AZTEC_JAGUAR</DefaultUnit>
		</UnitClassInfo>

strategyonly · Jul 15, 2011

Hydromancerx said:
Actually that sounds a lot like what I had to do to make the UB their own
buildings. I think you need to add a the in for the the CIV4UnitClassInfos for each of the ex-UU. Such as ...

Code:

<UnitClassInfo> <Type>UNITCLASS_AZTEC_JAGUAR</Type> <Description>TXT_KEY_UNIT_AZTEC_JAGUAR</Description> <iMaxGlobalInstances>-1</iMaxGlobalInstances> <iMaxTeamInstances>-1</iMaxTeamInstances> <iMaxPlayerInstances>-1</iMaxPlayerInstances> <iInstanceCostModifier>0</iInstanceCostModifier> <DefaultUnit>UNIT_AZTEC_JAGUAR</DefaultUnit> </UnitClassInfo>

As i stated in 107 i did just that, but still does not work.

Hydromancerx · Jul 15, 2011

strategyonly said:
As i stated in 107 i did just that, but still does not work.

This is very frustrating since those 2 files are the only ones I can think of that would make a difference.

Hydromancerx · Jul 15, 2011

@strategyonly

You must have done some code wrong because it worked for me when I added the code (see screenshot).

All i did is add ...

Code:

		<UnitClassInfo>
			<Type>UNITCLASS_ROME_PRAETORIAN</Type>
			<Description>TXT_KEY_UNIT_ROME_PRAETORIAN</Description>
			<iMaxGlobalInstances>-1</iMaxGlobalInstances>
			<iMaxTeamInstances>-1</iMaxTeamInstances>
			<iMaxPlayerInstances>-1</iMaxPlayerInstances>
			<iInstanceCostModifier>0</iInstanceCostModifier>
			<DefaultUnit>UNIT_ROME_PRAETORIAN</DefaultUnit>
		</UnitClassInfo>

.. to the CIV4UnitClassInfos.

And then I changed ...

Code:

		<UnitInfo>
			<Class>UNITCLASS_[B]ROME_PRAETORIAN[/B]</Class>
			<Type>UNIT_ROME_PRAETORIAN</Type>

... in the CIV4UnitInfos.

It makes the Unit Upgrade Tree a little messier but it works! :goodjob:

Please change what I did to make them work.

strategyonly · Jul 16, 2011

OK i did all that, will give it a try, but also can you make an Embassy for the extra civ i have in there now, ie: Pirates, if you updated your SVN Pirates Civ should be there. ALso pick which ONE you think should be the UU , thx

Hydromancerx · Jul 16, 2011

strategyonly said:
OK i did all that, will give it a try, but also can you make an Embassy for the extra civ i have in there now, ie: Pirates, if you updated your SVN Pirates Civ should be there. ALso pick which ONE you think should be the UU , thx

I was going to do something special for the pirates. Since I want to treat them more like the Bandits than a civ.

In short please don't hold up the update on account of the pirate embassy. I would like to do a set of buildings that will take awhile to plan and then create. In short i would like to use many of the units you have in the pirate civ since they cover not only many cultures but many time periods.

Sword_Of_Geddon · Jul 16, 2011

There are alot of civs in the megapack that could be used with this idea. Just a thought.

Hydromancerx · Jul 16, 2011

I was thinking about how messy this is making the unit tree. Would you guys be against having the ex-Unique Units not be able to upgrade? I think i might make them more unique and less powerful since not all nations have embassies to build them.

Flinx · Jul 16, 2011

Sounds familiar.
With no upgrade for the Neanderthal Warriors this seems to be the way to go.
But i suggest to make this ex unique units go obsolete after a while, best time seems to be the tech the former upgrade is available.
E.g. Neanderthal Warrior goes obsolete with Axeman, East-India-Man (Dutch replacement for galleon) goes obsolete at the tech paddle steamers are available.
I guess you get the picture.

Hydromancerx · Jul 16, 2011

Flinx said:
Sounds familiar.
With no upgrade for the Neanderthal Warriors this seems to be the way to go.
But i suggest to make this ex unique units go obsolete after a while, best time seems to be the tech the former upgrade is available.
E.g. Neanderthal Warrior goes obsolete with Axeman, East-India-Man (Dutch replacement for galleon) goes obsolete at the tech paddle steamers are available.
I guess you get the picture.

Well some of the Embassies go obsolete too such as the Neanderthal Embassy at Sedentary Lifestyle.

strategyonly · Jul 16, 2011

UPDATE Version 14 is out as of 3:15 am, a brand new way to play the game.

Hydromancerx · Jul 16, 2011

I am going to be enhancing the Embassies by making them produce wonders native to their country 50% faster. This means the Great Pyramids are much easier to build if you get the Egyptian Embassy. However any civ can still get any normal wonder without the need of an embassy.

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