BAT Chat 2

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[12:59] abukhir: Hello Croxys
[12:59] David: hello!
[13:00] abukhir: We are just waiting for another BAT member and it will be ok !
[13:00] abukhir: he's trying to connect...
[13:00] *** titanicwhiz18@comcast.net (RegentMan) has joined the conversation.
[13:00] abukhir: Hello RegentMan
[13:00] abukhir: Nice to see you
[13:01] RegentMan: Howdy.
[13:01] RegentMan: How goes it?
[13:01] abukhir: very well
[13:01] abukhir: We are happy to meet again
[13:01] David: as are we
[13:01] RegentMan: :D
[13:02] abukhir: So you met COG ?
[13:02] RegentMan: Yes we have.
[13:02] abukhir: We met CGA on our side...
[13:03] RegentMan: Ack, we met them too. Any luck talking to them?
[13:03] abukhir: they said hello, that's all
[13:04] RegentMan: Heh, same with us.
[13:04] David: i am quite sure they ar eup to something
[13:04] abukhir: We did not ay more, because of your difficult relations
[13:04] RegentMan: CFC-GCA relations are not known to be strong in the past.
[13:05] abukhir: we may say more, but we didn't think it would be "easy"
[13:05] RegentMan: Yeah, we haven't been in contact lately. Our ambassador contacted them asking for chat times, and they never replied.
[13:06] abukhir: I think it's clear enough...
[13:06] David: I don't want to be hostle to them right away, but I think it would be best if we make sure we keep ourselves well defended
[13:06] RegentMan: Four teams need to lose this game, and I'm sure GCA would love CFC to be one of them.
[13:07] RegentMan: I agree.
[13:07] abukhir: For us, it doesn't matter if it's them or COG the best third one ally
[13:07] abukhir: and if the relations are not "sure" it is far best to be COG...
[13:08] RegentMan: And it might be with one of the unknowns. GWT or EVG, perhaps.
[13:08] David: if GCA was interested in an alliance or peace they would have stayed in contact
[13:08] RegentMan: Indeed.
[13:09] abukhir: I think we can reject CGA as ally, but we have to find the third one not too late
[13:09] RegentMan: True. The other teams are already probably forming alliances.
[13:09] abukhir: exactly
[13:09] abukhir: ;)
[13:10] RegentMan: So the best thing would be for you to formally meet COG and get discussions open between you two.
[13:10] RegentMan: Once that happens, we can start three-way chats and form our alliance.
[13:11] abukhir: Yes, it's a good idea, but firstly what are your feeling about them ?
[13:11] abukhir: We can't have a 3 sides discussion without meeting them in-game
[13:11] RegentMan: At first, they seemed a bit hesitent.
[13:11] David: but things have improved
[13:12] RegentMan: But as time has moved on, they've opened up.
[13:12] David: I think they realized they need alliances =P
[13:13] David: At this point I think we should start ncluding COG
[13:14] abukhir: I think we can't have discussion without meeting them in-game:(
[13:14] David: and i need to start typing better
[13:14] *** holocanthe@hotmail.com (holocanthe) has joined the conversation.
[13:14] abukhir: Our president is coming !
[13:14] David: yay!
[13:14] RegentMan: Hello holocanthe!
[13:14] holocanthe: salut
[13:14] abukhir: hello mr president
[13:14] RegentMan: Ca va?
[13:14] holocanthe: yes
[13:15] f.humblot@free.fr (E-mail Address Not Verified): holo tu te mets sous TS ?
[13:15] abukhir: we are just discussing about discussions with COG
[13:15] David: i think we can work something out until you are in contact with them, we could act as a middle man if you will
[13:16] David: or at least let them know of our intent, or do you want to wait until you meet them first?
[13:16] RegentMan: I think it would be wise for BAT to meet them and chat on their own. That way, BAT can form their own opinion of them.
[13:17] abukhir: We can begin like that, but we have to meet as quicly as possible
[13:17] RegentMan: Which way is your scout moving?
[13:17] abukhir: where are they ?
[13:17] RegentMan: South of us, if I recall.
[13:17] David: SE of us
[13:17] abukhir: We think to go to the east
[13:17] abukhir: north east
[13:17] RegentMan: Well, then you won't be meeting them soon. ;)
[13:18] abukhir: where are they ?
[13:18] abukhir: we thought at the right of the cow
[13:19] David: i am trying to find a good screenshot to look at in our forums, just a second
[13:19] abukhir: OK
[13:20] David: COG is south of us
[13:20] RegentMan: Heh, I thought I was the only one doing that. lol
[13:20] abukhir: well, we don't know exactly where you are
[13:20] RegentMan: South of you, I think.
[13:20] abukhir: We have Cheru at the south of the cow
[13:21] abukhir: but he is tired after some fights
[13:21] David: ah! well if you find where we are first, and we can give directions, then not only can you find cog, but we will have a path for our future trade route
[13:21] David: where is the cow at?
[13:21] abukhir: At the east of the first meeting point (with Cheru
[13:22] *** sirhill1969@hotmail.fr (Sir) has joined the conversation.
[13:23] abukhir: SirHill is coming, one of BAT member
[13:23] David: hello!
[13:23] RegentMan: Bonjour.
[13:23] Sir: Hello everybody
[13:23] Sir: nice to meet you
[13:24] abukhir: Did you find the cow ?:D
[13:24] Sir: it is just behind the tail
[13:24] RegentMan: I think we did.
[13:24] abukhir: I think it's between our towns
[13:24] RegentMan: Do you have bronze working yet?
[13:25] abukhir: Next turn
[13:25] RegentMan: Is the cow on a tile that acts as an isthmus (a small stretch of land)?
[13:26] abukhir: Yes, I think you got it !
[13:26] RegentMan: Woot!
[13:26] abukhir: But there is a lot of isthmus...
[13:26] RegentMan: lol
[13:26] David: but only one with a cow
[13:26] abukhir: So We have Lud just next to cow
[13:26] RegentMan: If you see copper NE, E of it, then we're talking about the same one.
[13:27] abukhir: and Cherudek south of it
[13:27] David: go south on the chunk of land to the right of the cow, go south and it will lead you to us
[13:27] abukhir: And COG is south of you ?
[13:27] David: yes
[13:28] RegentMan: Our borders block off the direct path, though.
[13:28] abukhir: So maybe Cherudek, that will go in 5 turns will be quiker there
[13:28] David: i think we can grant them border passing rights for this
[13:28] RegentMan: Writing, anyone?
[13:29] RegentMan: We need that for open borders.
[13:29] David: if they pass through it will it automatically declare war?
[13:29] RegentMan: But there might be another route.
[13:29] RegentMan: Yes.
[13:29] David: oh goodness, we will just have to make peace right away
[13:30] RegentMan: To the left of our city is yet another possible isthumus.
[13:30] RegentMan: I'm pretty sure that's against the rules.
[13:30] abukhir: We are going to search "élevage" (we are searching in english...)
[13:30] RegentMan: Leverage? My guess...
[13:30] abukhir: sheaperling ?
[13:31] David: farming
[13:31] abukhir: that discover horses
[13:31] abukhir: ok, farming
[13:31] RegentMan: Animal husbandry.
[13:31] David: oh, animal husbandry
[13:31] abukhir: ok for animal husbandry
[13:31] abukhir: after that we can go directly to writing
[13:32] RegentMan: How many turns do you expect it to take?
[13:32] David: this is a good point to start talking about the technologies
[13:32] RegentMan: The sooner we get to alphabet, the better.
[13:32] abukhir: It's clear !
[13:32] abukhir: but the way is long
[13:33] abukhir: we have great discussions about time to find alphabet
[13:33] abukhir: we think it would be quicker if we meet other teams...
[13:33] RegentMan: How so? I didn't think discovery reduced research times.
[13:34] abukhir: if another team has this science, you need less science points
[13:34] RegentMan: Civ III, yes. Civ IV ???
[13:34] RegentMan: Hmm, okay.
[13:34] abukhir: yes on civ IV...
[13:34] holocanthe: civ 4 too
[13:36] abukhir: we have an estimation : we should find around turn 60 or 65 the alphabet
[13:36] abukhir: it's not yet clear
[13:36] David: so in about 30 turns
[13:36] RegentMan: Well, at least you have an estimation.
[13:36] abukhir: around that, yes
[13:36] abukhir: but it's very difficult to estimate clearly
[13:37] David: of cource, i think we need to decide which is more important first, you meeting cog or us trading techs
[13:38] abukhir: well, the 2 will go together (writing is just before alphabet)
[13:38] RegentMan: True.
[13:38] RegentMan: Open borders will allow them to definetly meet COG.
[13:38] RegentMan: But I'm certain there's another way to them, to our east.
[13:38] abukhir: And for their part, where are they going, on research ?
[13:39] abukhir: do you have an idea ?
[13:39] abukhir: And for you ? lol
[13:39] David: last i checked they did not talk to us about it
[13:39] RegentMan: They are going for the wheel.
[13:39] David: well there you ahve it :)
[13:40] RegentMan: COG is also building a settler in their capital right now.
[13:40] abukhir: Wow, have they a worker ??
[13:41] RegentMan: We don't think so.
[13:41] abukhir: it's a quick beginning...
[13:41] abukhir: or they would be at 1 in population
[13:41] RegentMan: Maybe they don't have copper and are freaking out.
[13:42] abukhir: Where are you for iron working
[13:42] RegentMan: As you know, we just finished sailing. We were planning on grabbing agriculture, then iron working.
[13:42] David: we are going for agriculture first, then iw after
[13:43] abukhir: So it would be when ?
[13:43] abukhir: just to have an idea
[13:43] David: 5 for agri, and about 20 after that for iw
[13:43] abukhir: well, it would be around the same...
[13:43] abukhir: maybe a bit late for us...
[13:44] RegentMan: We can take the time to get our tech swaps taken care of. Are we going to do a straight swap once you have alphabet?
[13:44] David: or are we going to work it out so we trade the same amount of beakers?
[13:45] abukhir: I think, yes !
[13:45] abukhir: yes to the exchange quickly
[13:45] RegentMan: Because I see us being much more successful if we just gift each other the techs as soon as we research them.
[13:45] abukhir: we are ok for that
[13:46] David: I agree with, RegentMan, but we should talk to our other team mates about that first
[13:46] RegentMan: Of course, it's just my opinion. Some on our team want to trade beaker for beaker.
[13:46] RegentMan: So yes, a team discussion is necessary.
[13:46] abukhir: Of course, the same for us
[13:47] abukhir: but the principle would be to exchange when we have a new tech
[13:47] abukhir: and to have discussions to search well...
[13:47] RegentMan: We would have to plan our routes to make sure one party isn't researching all of the expensive techs.
[13:47] abukhir: But without any other trading with other team (not in the alliance)
[13:48] abukhir: For semi-final, the important point is to go to final game...
[13:48] RegentMan: Indeed.
[13:48] RegentMan: Four others must die.
[13:49] Sir: yeah all the bad ones !
[13:49] abukhir: So I think you should begin discussions with COG and see what they are searching, and just see if it's compatible with our ideas
[13:50] abukhir: if it's ok, we try to meet them and after that find a cooperation possible
[13:51] RegentMan: Sounds good.
[13:51] David: we will pass on the message, I am sure they will be interested
[13:52] abukhir: We think also to exchange ressources with money
[13:52] abukhir: or another tech...
[13:53] David: that can work as well, we can deal with that on a case by case basis
[13:53] abukhir: We found good shells in water near our city...
[13:54] abukhir: Hard to open, but very good !
[13:54] RegentMan: Lucky. Our shells pinch back.
[13:54] abukhir: ouch
[13:55] abukhir: We will have enough to exchange with you
[13:55] RegentMan: That's good. It'll make trading interesting.
[13:56] abukhir: Do you have something that will be possible to trade later ?
[13:57] RegentMan: I think we
[13:57] RegentMan: have an abundance of crabs.
[13:57] abukhir: lol
[13:58] RegentMan: Heh, I pushed the wrong button...
[13:58] abukhir: We'll just have to put towns at good places
[13:58] RegentMan: So you can see why we need health resources... ;)
[13:58] David: booo
[13:58] abukhir: With copper we will attack this monsters !
[13:59] RegentMan: But don't hurt too many of them! They are a tasty bunch.
[13:59] abukhir: better without their pinch
[13:59] Sir: The only good crabs are dead crabs !
[14:00] RegentMan: Just kill four bad things...
[14:00] abukhir: lol
[14:00] RegentMan: Well, if you don't have any shellfish attack problems, I think we've covered everything. :)
[14:01] abukhir: lol it's ok for us
[14:01] Sir: we could also exchange swimming suits ...
[14:01] RegentMan: But we lack the swimming suit tech... :(
[14:01] Sir: lol
[14:02] abukhir: we will do with shell, and call you if they are hard to eat
 
well from the last part where you were talking about swim suits and crabs i imagine conversation kind of meandered off from civ....
 
Heh, yeah...

Sir says:
a whole bunch of naked barbarians fishing crabs ... I understand now why you're afraid of them (especially the male barbarians ...)

RegentMan says:
lol

abukhir says:
so next meeting after COG answer ?

RegentMan says:
Well, we'll bring this back to the team and discuss the issues that we talked about.

RegentMan says:
Sounds good.

abukhir says:
OK, same for us, I think it will be OK

RegentMan says:
Great!

David says:
well I need to go, I hope you all have good days!

RegentMan says:
J'aime parler avec mes amis.

abukhir says:
good night all

holocanthe says:
a good night

David has left the conversation.

Sir says:
night !

RegentMan says:
Bon soir!

f.humblot@free.fr (E-mail Address Not Verified) has left the conversation.

holocanthe says:
goodbye

Sir has left the conversation.

RegentMan says:
Good bye.

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In the last chat they were expecting Alphabet by turn 60 or 65. We just got turn 51 so BAT should have a pretty good idea if they are still expecting it within the next 9-14 turns.
 
OK looking over this chat they were going to finish Bronze then Animal husbandry then Write and Alph all to be finished, they thought, about 10 turns after we finish Iron.

They were eager for open border so they can make contact with COG.

It was left open weather we would swap beaker for beaker or just gift all our techs but we did say we would take eachother to the finals.
 
Looking over Chat 1 and 2 here is what we have:

They were supposed to research Poly, Bronze, Animal Husbandry, Writing, Alphabet, but if they don't have writing yet they must have researched two other techs after AH.

This was clearly ment as a game long alliance so I see no reason not to just gift techs as soon as we get them.

We also agreed not to trade any techs we get from each other to teams outside our alliance (which was supposed to include COG). We were also to tell each other what we were researching and if we maked any other alliances. It seems relations have cooled considerably since chat 2.
 
I would have preferred a different arrangement and as neither side has kept this treaty we have grounds to re-negotiate or get out all together.

But if we are going ahead with this alliance we need to explicitly state these terms and get both teams to re-commit.
 
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