Do puppeted cities raise the cost of science and social policies?

drewgie · Apr 16, 2014

Hello civies,

I have been searching and having trouble finding an answer to this. I know that when you create a city the cost of social policies is increased be 10% and science research by 5%.

When you capture a city and puppet it, do these same penalties take effect? Or does this happen only if you Annex a city?

thanks!

Hamburger · Apr 16, 2014

The 5% science hit applies but I don't believe the cultural hit counts for a puppet.

lokithepunishr · Apr 16, 2014

I believe it only happens for annexed cities, however all puppeted cities take a 25% penalty to science and culture output

Browd · Apr 16, 2014

Hamburger is correct -- the tech cost increase applies to all cities, including puppets, but the social policy cost increase only applies to founded or annexed cities.

lokithepunishr is also correct that all puppeted cities get a 25% culture and science haircut.

In practice, once a conquered city come out of revolt, it is often cost-effective (for both science costs and social policy costs) to annex the city, since the 25% haircut goes away and you can build/buy science and culture buildings.

ArguCa · Apr 16, 2014

So, what's the point of puppeting cities? For example in my Venice campaign, I haven't puppet any CS' but I'm thinking to puppet one or two. Any advice for me? Should I puppet CS' or just move on with my only city?

Btw, I'm going for cultural victory.

Gamewizard · Apr 16, 2014

Caliph's Guard said:
So, what's the point of puppeting cities? For example in my Venice campaign, I haven't puppet any CS' but I'm thinking to puppet one or two. Any advice for me? Should I puppet CS' or just move on with my only city?

Btw, I'm going for cultural victory.

Puppets are good sources of gold...especially for Venice because CS won't lose any pop when getting bought out. Trading post everything and stagnate growth for the puppet...unless you are not Venice and plan on annexing eventually.

ArguCa · Apr 16, 2014

Ah, I see. Thank you friend

joncnunn · Apr 16, 2014

Browd said:
Hamburger is correct -- the tech cost increase applies to all cities, including puppets, but the social policy cost increase only applies to founded or annexed cities.

lokithepunishr is also correct that all puppeted cities get a 25% culture and science haircut.

In practice, once a conquered city come out of revolt, it is often cost-effective (for both science costs and social policy costs) to annex the city, since the 25% haircut goes away and you can build/buy science and culture buildings.

Mostly agreed with the conclusion; but you also want to wait until it won't delay construction of national wonders.

danaphanous · Apr 16, 2014

Also, for venice having even one puppet allows you to send food caravans/ships back to your capital drastically speeding up growth. If you have none you can't do this and won't grow as big.

reddishrecue · Apr 17, 2014

Don't be discourage of having a puppet city that costs more science. Puppets can sometimes build libraries and science buildings that are needed when the empire is running low in technology.

Calouste · Apr 17, 2014

Also keep in mind that puppets typically won't run scientist specialists, and certainly won't if there is a trading post to work, so the amount of science you lose with keeping a city as a puppet compared to annexing it is significantly bigger than the 25% haircut.

Do puppeted cities raise the cost of science and social policies?

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