I agree. Even without adding a great sculptor I feel the game lacks in available great art slots until you reach the industrial era. If we went so far to add a great sculptor I would think we could take the extra step and add a new building or an additional art slot somewhere, so I don't see this as a problem.
New Kind of Great Works - Statues
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I agree. Even without adding a great sculptor I feel the game lacks in available great art slots until you reach the industrial era. If we went so far to add a great sculptor I would think we could take the extra step and add a new building or an additional art slot somewhere, so I don't see this as a problem.
At they very least, I would've hoped they'd have added a second faith building with a slot for art (or a belief that adds a slot to a temples), so that th guy who secures cathedrals doesn't have such a vital, exclusive edge.
But that's anotehr oddity of culture war. While we had art for a long time, we haven't had public education or an emphasis on art appreciation until the post-industrial era, to say nothing of the concept of "tourism".
Of course, making cultural victory weigh chiefly on artwork produced by a handful of individuals within a given civilization is a peculiarity in and of itself.
I believe it is a rights issue over use of photographs and the prohibitive cost of hiring an artist to do a replica painting of each;
while there is ownership rights to the originals, I am fairly certain there is no royalties paid to the estate of the artists for the works of art from the 15,16th and 17th century that are prominently featured in the game.
This is also why you have tacky poster sellers selling Van Goh posters and or having starry night on a promotional postcard. If there were royalties, I highly doubt either would occur.
As for the need for a 'great sculptor' I think its way too specific. They fit into artists just fine. Next thing, we'll need a 'great poet' too
while there is ownership rights to the originals, I am fairly certain there is no royalties paid to the estate of the artists for the works of art from the 15,16th and 17th century that are prominently featured in the game.
This is also why you have tacky poster sellers selling Van Goh posters and or having starry night on a promotional postcard. If there were royalties, I highly doubt either would occur.
As for the need for a 'great sculptor' I think its way too specific. They fit into artists just fine. Next thing, we'll need a 'great poet' too
If people are going to keep saying this, I really wish they'd at least cite something that would lead one to make this leap of logic. Otherwise, it just sounds like bizarre speculation that Firaxis is some cash-strapped mom-and-pop joint operating out of a strip mall. This game is a multi-platinum hit.
I mean, sure it costs money. Everything they do with the game costs money. Why are photographs of sculptures somehow a bridge too far? Those paintings you're seeing on the screen are photographs of the paintings.
I personally wouldn't mind the standard Temple having a single art slot.
Thinking about the whole Great Sculptor idea again, its probably unneeded. I personally just want the ability to create more great works earlier in the game and have the buildings to house them. Expanding great works of art to include non-paintings makes sense. As far as art appreciation is concerned, I think peoples visited Rome, Athens, Thebes, etc back in the days when they were at the height of their power. I wouldn't call it 'Tourism' per se, but people were drawn to these cities by their grand structures, avenues, statues, etc. Seems strange that there aren't any works of art available during these periods when its clear now that these places were swimming in aesthetically pleasing visuals. I guess its just a balancing issue or conceptualized as something to focus on late game as apposed to early.
That would work too. A nice boost for France. It could have a theming bonus for art from your civilization but from different eras.
Is anyone else interested in having earlier works of art or am I alone on this?
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Hmm, adding a Sculpture slot to the Temple would not be a bad idea in terms of actually making the Temple worth to build (which it imo. currently isn't under most circumstances). I do think however that if one wants to proceed with this idea, then the Statue should not be a culture item at all, but rather a faith item. If the Great Sculptur should provide a faith bomb, then the Statue should provide a per-turn faith (+ possibly something else), rather than the normal Culture/Tourism bonus. After all, the Temple is not a Culture building but a religious building.
orikos
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I updated the list of the sculptures. Now there are 10 ideas for sculptures:
Statue of David by Michaelangelo
Lion Monument by Lukas Ahorn
the Thinker by Auguste Robin
St George by Donatello
Little Mermaid by Edvard Eriksen
Perseus With the Head of Medusa by Benvenuto Cellini
Hercules and the Centaur Nessus by Giambologna
Discobolus by Myron
Venus De milo by Alexandros of Antioch
Athena Parthenos by Phidias
Please suggest ideas for sculptures, both who likes the idea and who not likes him.
Ideas for building and wonders that will include sculptures,great sculptors' & other things will be published soon.
Statue of David by Michaelangelo
Lion Monument by Lukas Ahorn
the Thinker by Auguste Robin
St George by Donatello
Little Mermaid by Edvard Eriksen
Perseus With the Head of Medusa by Benvenuto Cellini
Hercules and the Centaur Nessus by Giambologna
Discobolus by Myron
Venus De milo by Alexandros of Antioch
Athena Parthenos by Phidias
Please suggest ideas for sculptures, both who likes the idea and who not likes him.
Ideas for building and wonders that will include sculptures,great sculptors' & other things will be published soon.
Well, statues (or great art and artifacts) could always give a non-tourism bonus until the Renaissance (or later) epoch and change to tourism. Tourism before hotels seems wholly useless, which is probably why we don't see great works really flow until the Renaissance. Faith would make sense, but food or production could also be a possibility (the great works could act as beacons to draw in peoples from around the world, increasing population and productivity).
Another idea is to have the building in which the great work is housed in define what sort of bonus the great work will produce.
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Yeah, what I had in mind here was linking the Statues specifically to religious buildings. So where the other great works provide Culture + Tourism, these would produce Faith + Tourism. That would actually give them a relevant edge to the other items.
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they may start giving culture/tourism after being moved from temple to museum
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Hey, that's actualy a pretty good idea.
Firaxis can afford it sure. But why spend extra money when you don't have to?
Why have pictures for the great works of art? Why bother having sound files for great works of music? Why have animated leaderboards? Why hire actors to voice them? Do you think William Sheppard works for free? Couldn't they save a few dimes by letting the players just read all that text for themselves?
TLDR: All content costs money. it just seems peculiar and obtuse to throw out that penny-pinching argument and try to isolate it to taking pictures of a sculpture.
It is indeed. Great works generat culture in culture buildings, and faith in faith buildings. Simple and intuitive.
I suppose the monument improvement could be considered as a statue or great work but yeah I agree with the OP it would be nice if your Civ could generate rare cultural artifacts from a great sculptor or a sculptors guild in the ancient and classical era. I'd probably say masonry technology should be the prerequisite tech for this.
And I agree with the previous poster about the choice as to what the artifacts are to be used for. Faith items placed in temple or cultural items in the Palace.
You could probably go further and allow certain luxuries to create unique items (gold, silver, copper, ivory, gems, marble etc). I'm not sure how you would implement this though.
And I agree with the previous poster about the choice as to what the artifacts are to be used for. Faith items placed in temple or cultural items in the Palace.
You could probably go further and allow certain luxuries to create unique items (gold, silver, copper, ivory, gems, marble etc). I'm not sure how you would implement this though.
orikos
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Sculptures- (almost) the full Idea
Sorry for spelling mistakes.
Sculptures- A new kind of great work that increase your tourism output. The sculptors are also provide +2 culture (in cultural buildings) or +2 religion (in religious buildings). They can be placed in wonders or in buildings. The sculptures can be made by a new great person- Great Sculptor.
New GR-Great Sculptor: Great Sculptor is a new great person that can make sculptures. To get a Great Sculptor you need to earn points. After you got the same or more points that you need, you will get him. The points can be earned after you built specific wonders or after you built the Sculptors' Guild. If you have a Great Sculptor but you don't want to make a great work, you can use his special ability- Religious Statues.
GS Ability- Religious Statues: I have some options to this ability and you will tell me what is the best option:
1. Trade routes from this city get +10% religion pressure on cities that are connected with this city (the GS must be in owner's city).
2. +10 followers of city's religion in other player's city (must be near other player's city).
3. +1 religion from each sculpture.
New NW- Sculptors' Guild: Requires construction. Cost: 140 production. Maintenance: 1. 2 Sculptor specialist slots (+1 faith, +1 culture and 3 GPP per specialist). +1 GPP points per turn towards Great Sculptor.
Buildings that have a space for sculptures:
Religious Buildings or Wonders (+2 faith) :
Pagoda- +2 Happiness, +2 Culture, +1 Faith, 1 slot for Sculpture
Temple- +2 Faith, 2 slots for Sculptures
New wonder- Temple of Heaven: I don't have better ideas. Requires Metal Casting ?. 320 Production. 1 Sculpture slot. Great Sculptor's ability is 100% more effective.
Cultural Buildings or Wonders (+2 culture) :
Palace- +3 Production, +3 Sciense, +3 Gold, +1 Culture, +2 Defense, 1 Great work of Art or Artifact slot, 1 Sculpture slot
New Wonder- Piazza della Signoria: Requires Civil Service. 290 Production. +2 GSP. Has 3 slots of Sculptures. A Great Sculptor apear.
Museum- +1 culture, 1 slot for Art, 1 slot for Sculpture.
Ideas for more buildings and wonders that have a space for sculptures are welcome
Wonders that earn Great Sculptor's Points:
Terracotta Army- +2 GSP
Statue of Liberty- +2 GSP
Statue of Zeus- +1 GSP
Social Policy Changes:
Theocracy (Piety)- Same + Great Sculptor apears
Sculptures List:
Statue of David by Michaelangelo
Lion Monument by Lukas Ahorn
the Thinker by Auguste Robin
St George by Donatello
Little Mermaid by Edvard Eriksen
Perseus With the Head of Medusa by Benvenuto Cellini
Hercules and the Centaur Nessus by Giambologna
Discobolus by Myron
Venus De milo by Alexandros of Antioch
Athena Parthenos by Phidias
Manneken Pis by Hiëronymus Duquesnoy the Elder
Please suggest ideas! We don't have enough sculptures!
This is the end of the idea. Thank you for read my idea, and I'm hope you will suggest ideas to improve the idea.
Sorry for spelling mistakes.
Sculptures- A new kind of great work that increase your tourism output. The sculptors are also provide +2 culture (in cultural buildings) or +2 religion (in religious buildings). They can be placed in wonders or in buildings. The sculptures can be made by a new great person- Great Sculptor.
New GR-Great Sculptor: Great Sculptor is a new great person that can make sculptures. To get a Great Sculptor you need to earn points. After you got the same or more points that you need, you will get him. The points can be earned after you built specific wonders or after you built the Sculptors' Guild. If you have a Great Sculptor but you don't want to make a great work, you can use his special ability- Religious Statues.
GS Ability- Religious Statues: I have some options to this ability and you will tell me what is the best option:
1. Trade routes from this city get +10% religion pressure on cities that are connected with this city (the GS must be in owner's city).
2. +10 followers of city's religion in other player's city (must be near other player's city).
3. +1 religion from each sculpture.
New NW- Sculptors' Guild: Requires construction. Cost: 140 production. Maintenance: 1. 2 Sculptor specialist slots (+1 faith, +1 culture and 3 GPP per specialist). +1 GPP points per turn towards Great Sculptor.
Buildings that have a space for sculptures:
Religious Buildings or Wonders (+2 faith) :
Pagoda- +2 Happiness, +2 Culture, +1 Faith, 1 slot for Sculpture
Temple- +2 Faith, 2 slots for Sculptures
New wonder- Temple of Heaven: I don't have better ideas. Requires Metal Casting ?. 320 Production. 1 Sculpture slot. Great Sculptor's ability is 100% more effective.
Cultural Buildings or Wonders (+2 culture) :
Palace- +3 Production, +3 Sciense, +3 Gold, +1 Culture, +2 Defense, 1 Great work of Art or Artifact slot, 1 Sculpture slot
New Wonder- Piazza della Signoria: Requires Civil Service. 290 Production. +2 GSP. Has 3 slots of Sculptures. A Great Sculptor apear.
Museum- +1 culture, 1 slot for Art, 1 slot for Sculpture.
Ideas for more buildings and wonders that have a space for sculptures are welcome
Wonders that earn Great Sculptor's Points:
Terracotta Army- +2 GSP
Statue of Liberty- +2 GSP
Statue of Zeus- +1 GSP
Social Policy Changes:
Theocracy (Piety)- Same + Great Sculptor apears
Sculptures List:
Statue of David by Michaelangelo
Lion Monument by Lukas Ahorn
the Thinker by Auguste Robin
St George by Donatello
Little Mermaid by Edvard Eriksen
Perseus With the Head of Medusa by Benvenuto Cellini
Hercules and the Centaur Nessus by Giambologna
Discobolus by Myron
Venus De milo by Alexandros of Antioch
Athena Parthenos by Phidias
Manneken Pis by Hiëronymus Duquesnoy the Elder
Please suggest ideas! We don't have enough sculptures!
This is the end of the idea. Thank you for read my idea, and I'm hope you will suggest ideas to improve the idea.
