Eternal War: milking a defeated enemy

Dogmouth said:

I understand that it's unverified. I'm just commenting on the possibility.

Even if Loki is right, it seems like a bad system without some sort of cassus belli system to counterbalance it. If someone attacks me, steals a worker, kills my troops, invades my lands, etc., I don't think I should be under any obligation to accept "peace for peace."

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Seabastian Civ said:

Civ absolutely needs a Casus Belli system. I can't even imagine it would be that hard to implement. E.g.:

Borders touching = Casus belli.
Caught spying = casus belli.
Built a wonder I coveted = Casus Belli.
Warmongering = Diplo hit.

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Cromagnus said:

I completely agree. It drives me crazy that the AI is allowed to get away with things you couldn't do without generating diplomacy hits. If I catch a guy spying and otherwise being a tool, I shouldn't be considered a warmonger for declaring war. Or at least it should reduce the diplo hit somewhat for each act that contributes to just cause.

It feels broken that I have to goad an AI into declaring war on me in order to avoid the diplo hits. It feels like I'm gaming the system. I wish the diplomacy feelings between AIs were visible. It feels like the AI constantly does things that should get them in trouble, without repercussion, but maybe I only think that because I can't see the diplomatic status between two AIs. Sure, I've seen Gandhi denounce England for attacking me, but realistically, that's not such a bad thing for an AI to be denounced.

Like, I'm not really convinced it hurts an AI to have bad diplomatic status the same way it hurts a player. Don't get me wrong, I like that diplomacy is important, but I wish it didn't feel... broken.

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mintcandy said:

Psst. "Udder" isn't an adjective synonymous with "absolute". "Utter" is...and "utter cheesiness" isn't a pun.

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loki75 said:

Here is what I was writing about:
New peace deals. Now 9 AI levels instead of the previous 5 (so one new level added between each of the earlier ones). Peace levels are now:
0: White Peace (give up nothing)
1: Armistice (1/2 gold, 1/2 of max GPT)
2: Settlement (all gold, max GPT)
3: Back-down (all luxuries, all gold, max GPT, open borders)
4: Submission (all resources, all gold, max GPT, open borders)
5: Surrender (one city)
6: Cession (1/4 city value, 1/2 gold)
7: Capitulation (1/3 city value, all gold)
8: Unconditional Surrender (all but capital, all gold)

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OmniPotent42 said:

Milk comes from udders, that's what I was getting at. Then milk turns into cheese.
Sorry for the bad pun, everyone...

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