I noticed on other forums gamers complained about having to install DMC4 on PS3 HDD so most console gamers like everything to be very simple.
This is probably why there were more hardcore games on the PS than on PS2 and now the Wii is out selling both the ps3 and 360 combined. (Even many years ago (back in C-64) I found most console games were more simplifed including hardcore games like Silent Service.) I find that even some recent PC games seem to be dumb down a bit lately.
P.S. Both Civ1 and Civ2 were ported straight to consoles yet they didn't sale very well. Starcraft was also on the consoles (N64) yet never sold anywhere close to the PC version.
um..the reason they were complaining is because 360 owners didn't have to do that, and because they are stuck with 20-80GB harddrives, so having a Blu-Ray install itself on your harddrive takes up a large chunk of your available space
Civ2 and Starcraft on consoles were crap. Civ1 was good, but it was a very low key series at the time, with a very low key release...I didn't even know that Civ1 was a PC game originally until a couple years after I'd bought Civ2 for PC.
I have a PS2 myself. I find that console games are stupid, dumbdowned license games from hell and that only a few games are worth mentioning. Also, PC games are much cheaper. I noticed your troll, BTW.
It can't. Console games are for people who want action and sit in the couch. PC games are for serious gamers.
Show me a console game that can be fully modded, BTW.
I wasn't trolling any more than anyone else on this thread that states consoles are for lamers/non-gamers/etc...seriously, the fact that last year's console gaming industry produced over 17 billion dollars of sales in the US alone says that the problem is not with consoles, but with anyone who bashes them the way you and others have
As for the number of games worth mentioning...if you hadn't noticed, both consoles and PCs have about the same ration of trash:goodness in games...price of PC games? Last I saw, they normally cost $39.99-$49.99 new...consoles are $39.99-$59.99...not really a price difference.
Action vs Serious games: um...you do realize that the two genres that are considered the mainstay of computers are FPS and RTS...and the entire purpose of those types of games is action...yes?
As far as modding goes, it really doesn't matter if you can or not, because until this generation, systems didn't have on-board storage space(XBOX notwithstanding...) so moddable games were impractical. If you want an example of one that will be out this year, try LittleBigPlanet...the entire game is simply a massive mod.
You've obviously never played an RTS or an FPS.
I'd say you've never played one if you really think there's no action in Warcraft, Starcraft, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Quake Wars, Unreal Tournament, Half Life, Command and Conquer, etc...
I hope you are not referring to Oblivion since it was clearly dumb down for console gamers. (Xbox 360) This rpg was very shallow especially since a 2 level character could do and go pretty much everything a 20 level character could. (the world leveled up with the character so why bother leveling up?) Thankfully there are mods for the PC which did give the game a little depth.
Developers of Vagrant Story learn a long time ago on the PS you can't add too much depth to a RPG as one of the biggest complaint was it was too hard. VS wasn't hard at all if you spend a few minutes to understand that you need to use and level up more than one weapon during the game.
um...the very reason for that was that it was a wide open world...you could do what you wanted, when you wanted. It makes a lot more sense gameplay-wise to make the game not dependent upon you grinding to level up, and more dependent on your skill choices, personal skill, and combat abilities(the world levels up with you in Final Fantasy VIII too, did that game have no depth or reason to leveling up?). Besides, leveling up does still have a point...if you do not level up your skills, you will never be able to win the game, no matter your skill at playing, because you'll be missing out on any advanced in-game abilities, and just because you are level 3 and the rest of the game is always the same number of levels above/below you, does not mean it is just as easy as if you are level 20...1 level difference at level 3 is a much greater difference than 1 level difference at level 20.
How does depth=hard in an RPG? Vagrant Story was a great game, and the developers of it have continued to make great, deep RPGs for consoles.