SGOTM 15 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

Ronnie1 · May 9, 2012

I played 4 turns.

Everything was good until Genghisgawa declared war on us. Now there is a full scale global war going on.

@aj, I got off the spreadsheet some, the cities are still in order, I just sped them all up a bit so I could try to get more artists in Delhi to better the odds there.

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Sleepless · May 9, 2012

Ronnie1 said:
I am going to follow the spreadsheet and suggestions and play some turns now.

Good Luck Ronnie1

Haha cross posted but in a way thats brilliant for us as it puts Liz v GK!!!!! Bad news of course might delay us a bit.

Ronnie1 · May 9, 2012

The only other semi-bad news is that I traded away our stone for gpt. I have not started a Castle yet in Kyoto, it is a 5 turn build without the stone. Genghis has 7 Cuirassirs in his stack, and a total of 27 units. 3 Mace/4 Keshik/1 LB/1 SW/1 Axe/3 Pike/ 5 Cats/ 2 Trebs

Ronnie1 · May 9, 2012

So I am looking at the the best way to handle Genghis' stack.

Again we have to 2 options of hiding behind the walls and possibly castle in 5 turns OR attacking in the open. His stack is as you can see is only 3 turns from being able to attack without bombarding and they will pillage our farm on the way in more than likely.

We could manage the Castle into a 4 turn build if we emphasize hammers which requires firing some artists in favor of citizens.

The biggest difference I see this time is that the Cuirassiers being gunpowder units completely negate the defensive bonus of the Walls and Castle.

I would love to attack that stack now with Pikes, unfortunately we don't have any yet.

Does anyone have time to sim some battle outcomes?

Sleepless · May 9, 2012

Ronnie1 said:
The only other semi-bad news is that I traded away our stone for gpt. I have not started a Castle yet in Kyoto, it is a 5 turn build without the stone. Genghis has 7 Cuirassirs in his stack, and a total of 27 units. 3 Mace/4 Keshik/1 LB/1 SW/1 Axe/3 Pike/ 5 Cats/ 2 Trebs

Well I think were safe to move some units from Palit area to Kyoto but not to weaken to much because of HC/Mansa. Do also think we should look to attack with cats this time once they get adjacent to the city. No siege (well very little) and our defences shouldn't be any problem this time...

Of course if a massive stack is right behind this one then might be a bit different.. :lol:

I would personally play on a little bit as there's not much we need to do this time.

Our cultural defences should be at 80%? so no real need to worry about castles now. It would just slow down his siege.

As mentioned the problem is our lands being pillaged. Otoh with Liz declaring on him perhaps if were very very lucky his stack will go home instead?

Conquistador 63 · May 9, 2012

From the autolog...

Elizagawa (England) declares war on Elizagawa (England)

So, if I got it right we're at war only with Genghis, is that right?

Sleepless · May 9, 2012

Other thoughts as the buffy log seems a bit dodgy. Says Shaka declared on us!!!

Anyway one plus is Hammie is on our side v GK and at war with Hattie so hopefully he'll send cuirassiers to Kyoto area?

Conquistador 63 · May 9, 2012

Sleepless said:
Other thoughts as the buffy log seems a bit dodgy. Says Shaka declared on us!!!

Anyway one plus is Hammie is on our side v GK and at war with Hattie so hopefully he'll send cuirassiers to Kyoto area?

I wouldn't count on that. The AI sucks completely as a war ally.

When is the next AP resolution?

Sleepless · May 9, 2012

Conquistador 63 said:
I wouldn't count on that. The AI sucks completely as a war ally.

When is the next AP resolution?

Totally agree on that. Given up telling the AI to attack a city a long time ago... :lol:

Good chance if he sends forces through our lands he will have to go through Kyoto and the AP vote is ineffective as GK isn't hindu (or at least he wasn't) and don't want to stop Liz's war.

Grifftavian · May 9, 2012

We are only at war with Genghis, see screen shots.

Units in Kyoto which could be upgraded...

6 Spearman costs 570 gold to upgrade to Pikemen
1 Archer cost 95 gold to upgrade to Longbow OR 125 gold to upgrade to Crossbow
5 Axemen cost 625 gold to upgrade to Macemen

There is a 6th Axeman Super Medic not included as an upgrade.

We have 861 gold in the Treasury now, so we could upgrade the Spears & Archer now if we wanted. If we turned all the sliders to 0%, we'd be making +94 gold/turn, and should be able to upgrade the 5 Axes in five turns.

Not sure what turning all the sliders to 0% for 5 turns would do to our finish date. Looking at the Culture graph of the P&R page, Team FE has been at 1740 AD for a while now, so that may be the date we have to beat for a Culture Victory.

Also, Liz is willing to trade Gunpowder, we could see what she wants for that; maybe upgrade the Spears & Archer before asking.

EDIT: x-post with C63 & Sleepless. Next AP vote in 8 turns, but Sleepless is correct, Genghis is not a member.

Sleepless · May 9, 2012

I don't see any need to upgrade the troops in Kyoto. As I've mentioned numerous times

though to move the LBs from Osaka/Tokyo to Kyoto. Have the fw's ready to build improvements as soon as we have dealt with the stack but don't think we should move out in the field. Bear in mind we can hit the stack with cats from Kyoto and retreat back inside if we win. If we had a lot more maces would be inclined to attack after collateral cat damage but we don't so.

adrianj · May 9, 2012

Holy moly, things are really complicated now!

It is far more important for us to maintain our Artist allocations than it is to keep the slider high (Delhi going legendary before Kyoto and all that). So, I think we use our cash to at least upgrade the spears. Pikes will be our best defence vs Cuirassiers, which are the most threatening unit in that stack.

I think we play it the same as we did vs Hatty - don't attack with the cats, but instead let them soak up some of Genghi's siege collateral damage. Probably also wise to move the GG out of the city so that it can't be targeted and killed.

Ron - why is Kyoto working so many mines? Is this a change that you only just made this turn? As far as our artist production is concerned, I think we should keep them full steam ahead.

If Genghis is not a member of the AP, we can get all AP members to declare war on him. This would put Hatty against him, preventing him sending troops our way.

Edit: Sleepless is right about moving the LBs from Tokyo and Osaka. With the culture slider where it is, we don't strictly need garrisons in those cities.

adrianj · May 9, 2012

@aj, I got off the spreadsheet some, the cities are still in order, I just sped them all up a bit so I could try to get more artists in Delhi to better the odds there.

Comparing the F1 screenshot to the GPP spreadsheet, most cities are as I'd expected them to be, except for Delhi, Tokyo and Kyoto. They all seemed to be below what I was expecting.

I've updated it to where it looks like we are.

From this turn, Tokyo must assign every man, woman and child as an artist. For a pop 8 city, I expect it will run 9 artists this turn, 8 artists the next, and at least 6 artists after that. Failing this would then needlessly slow Delhi down.

Kyoto should get back up to 8 artists. Delhi up to 5.

adrianj · May 9, 2012

Looking at the Culture graph of the P&R page, Team FE has been at 1740 AD for a while now, so that may be the date we have to beat for a Culture Victory.

I'm much more ambitious than that. Chatter in the maintenance thread suggests that there are other teams who haven't finished. If we improve our date by any we might be able to beat one or two of the war mongering teams.

Assuming the war mongerers do boost their score towards the end, we might stand a chance of winning the "most efficient victory" wooden spoon

Though Kakumeika are looking strong for this one, assuming whatever it is they are scheming works out. (Or already has worked out! :crazyeye:

)

NB: I expect us to win circa 1640 AD.

Edit: We really do need to keep up the pace though. Ron - do you feel confident to play out the entire Genghi situation? I'm sorry if I come across as some micromanagement freak. Honestly, you can disregard all the spreadsheets if you like. It's more important that we get through these war declaration challenges intact, so if you feel a quick build of a caste is more important than artists then I'm totally ok with that. More importantly, that we play the next 30 turns within the next 11 days.

Ronnie1 · May 9, 2012

Sleepless said:
I don't see any need to upgrade the troops in Kyoto. As I've mentioned numerous times though to move the LBs from Osaka/Tokyo to Kyoto. Have the fw's ready to build improvements as soon as we have dealt with the stack but don't think we should move out in the field. Bear in mind we can hit the stack with cats from Kyoto and retreat back inside if we win. If we had a lot more maces would be inclined to attack after collateral cat damage but we don't so.

Sorry about that sleepless, I know I read it, but now I am VERY CLEAR!

aj, can you get on messenger please, also, anyone else that can chat through windows live messenger would be great to work out a few things real quickly!

Ozbenno · May 9, 2012

Interesting developments! Both in the game and the fact that a few teams are saying they might not finish!

Think we have the defenses to withstand Genghis, especially as he will be pre-occupied by Liz hopefully.

Agree with aj that trying to finish at our desired date is the main priority. Move the extra defenders from Tokyo and Osaka and keep up with the artists. I think upgrading the spears to pikes is worthwhile though.

I can't remember my live messenger password or my hotmail account has expired (haven't used it for years). Don't have access to the game though.

Ronnie1 · May 9, 2012

Played on....

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Ronnie1 · May 9, 2012

More later, gotta run!

adrianj · May 9, 2012

We were on MSN as Ron was playing, here's the MSN log

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adrianj · May 9, 2012

To summarise:

Ron upgraded the spears.
GK turned his stack around for a while.
Tokyo produced a GArtist before Delhi, then went to assigning merchants.
Hammu and Hatty started sending troops towards eachother, which look like they'll do battle in our lands.
GK pillaged Kyoto's copper that wasn't being worked anyway.

After so much alt-tabbing in and out of the game, the game crashed just after an end-turn

Ron reloaded the autosave, and played that one turn again (not much to do, and no RNG involved I don't think).

After replaying that end-turn, Liz comes along and wipes out GK's stack!

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