Warhammer Heart of Chaos - Download and Current Changelog

Art errors are known for the moment. Crash bugs are the highest priority. I don't think anything is quite *properly" implemented yet.

Getting a feel for tech beaker costs and how we should tweak them will be useful to.

my main question is:

does the mod load once you get past those xml errors, and can you play any turns without CTD?

ill fix the xml errors in a patch within a couple of days. (easy fixes there)

Psychic_Llamas said:

does the mod load once you get past those xml errors

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yes (with the 3 techs deleted xml)

Psychic_Llamas said:

and can you play any turns without CTD?

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yes

It runs fine for me. The load time is improved with art compression, but still slow due to the very large amounts of loaded art.

The entire Fall Further artpack FFPak051.FPK is being loaded which is 550 megabytes in size, in addition to the WHoCPak004.FPK which is 367MB. I also wonder if there's some duplication between those, ie graphics put into WHoCPak004.FPK which are also present in FFPak051.FPK.

In later versions you could probably improve mod size and loadtime even more by extracting the FFPak051.FPK and WHoCPak004.FPK into a single Art folder with PakBuild, deleting any unused or duplicate artfiles, then recompressing to a single FPK file.

PL I like the various artfiles/buttons youve made or dug up, youve been busy behind the scenes! I see the NIF art for Tanner etc are already present in Pedia, I'd guess you just need to add some DDS buttons and hopefully that should fix any crash.

In later versions you could probably improve mod size and loadtime even more by extracting the FFPak051.FPK and WHoCPak004.FPK into a single Art folder with PakBuild, deleting any unused or duplicate artfiles, then recompressing to a single FPK file.

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This sounds like a great idea.

I confirm much faster loading, but it can still take some time.

yes (with the 3 techs deleted xml)...

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brilliant

It runs fine for me. The load time is improved with art compression, but still slow due to the very large amounts of loaded art.

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cool. do you get the same xml errors that nelia was talking about orlanth?

The entire Fall Further artpack FFPak051.FPK is being loaded which is 550 megabytes in size, in addition to the WHoCPak004.FPK which is 367MB. I also wonder if there's some duplication between those, ie graphics put into WHoCPak004.FPK which are also present in FFPak051.FPK.

In later versions you could probably improve mod size and loadtime even more by extracting the FFPak051.FPK and WHoCPak004.FPK into a single Art folder with PakBuild, deleting any unused or duplicate artfiles, then recompressing to a single FPK file.

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redirecting all the art paths will be a large job, i think its fairly minor at the moment though. but i agree, eventually it needs to be done.

PL I like the various artfiles/buttons youve made or dug up, youve been busy behind the scenes! I see the NIF art for Tanner etc are already present in Pedia, I'd guess you just need to add some DDS buttons and hopefully that should fix any crash.

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teehee glad you like and yeh, once i get photoshop i can *finally* make more buttons for the remaining pink squares (including the greenskin civs buttons )

brilliant

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Though surely the right solution is to fix the eras, not delete the techs

do you get the same xml errors that nelia was talking about orlanth?

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I get the era errors.

Though surely the right solution is to fix the eras, not delete the techs

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definately its a simple fix (and was in place before. im not sure why its broken again now)

do you get the same xml errors that nelia was talking about orlanth?

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I think I tracked down that problem; when the mod was installed together with the sound pack, there were issues with the new mod's mainmenu soundtrack having a different tag in audio xmls, plus a mismatch with an earlier version of CivEraInfos using the ERA_INDUSTRIAL tag. I fixed those and made a patch combining that fix with the Fall Further Themes error fix, a trackname fix (bug #NH3), and Events to spawn missionaries with religion tech discovery (will need to add civ-specific python once the Civs XML is done.) So I'll attach all that and you can upload it as a Patch A to replace the Quickfix. (Make a note that the patch should be applied after the soundpack not vice versa.)

redirecting all the art paths will be a large job, i think its fairly minor at the moment though. but i agree, eventually it needs to be done.

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no need to redirect any paths; if you unpack both the FPK files in one place all the art will unpack out into the appropriate subdirectories of the Art folder; then you can just delete any unneeded Fall Further stuff, check thru the pedia to make sure the art loads fine, then repack to a single FPK using PakBuild. As a bonus that should also make for a lot less upload time in future. But, there is prolly also tons more stuff in Fall Further we can use as UUs/UBs get added, so might as well wait till youve gone thru all the FF art before deleting any leftovers.

I think I tracked down that problem; when the mod was installed together with the sound pack, there were issues with the new mod's mainmenu soundtrack having a different tag in audio xmls, plus a mismatch with an earlier version of CivEraInfos using the ERA_INDUSTRIAL tag. I fixed those and made a patch combining that fix with the Fall Further Themes error fix, a trackname fix (bug #NH3), and Events to spawn missionaries with religion tech discovery (will need to add civ-specific python once the Civs XML is done.) So I'll attach all that and you can upload it as a Patch A to replace the Quickfix. (Make a note that the patch should be applied after the soundpack not vice versa.)

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fantastic, thanks orlanth. ill test this and put it in the first post later this evening. im at uni at the moment and cant haha.

no need to redirect any paths; if you unpack both the FPK files in one place all the art will unpack out into the appropriate subdirectories of the Art folder; then you can just delete any unneeded Fall Further stuff, check thru the pedia to make sure the art loads fine, then repack to a single FPK using PakBuild. As a bonus that should also make for a lot less upload time in future. But, there is prolly also tons more stuff in Fall Further we can use as UUs/UBs get added, so might as well wait till youve gone thru all the FF art before deleting any leftovers.

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very good point.

Patch b is in the works. current changelog:

Removed the Free technology from Philosophy and gave it to Astrology instead (Philosophy leads to words of salvation and corruption of chaos, whereas astrology is a dead end tech.

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I agree that free tech from philosophy should go - though maybe we will needt to add something else to that tech (GPP boosting national wonder?).

Astrology isn't a deadend though, I think it is required for Navigation (or, it should be) and meteoric iron.

No strong objections to a free tech here though, I'll have to check the tree though to make sure you can't beeline anything too nasty with it.

Astrology isn't a deadend though, I think it is required for Navigation (or, it should be) and meteoric iron.

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ah yes, true. it just LOOKS like a dead end tech in the tech tree.

Ahriman said:

I agree that free tech from philosophy should go - though maybe we will needt to add something else to that tech (GPP boosting national wonder?).

Astrology isn't a deadend though, I think it is required for Navigation (or, it should be) and meteoric iron.

No strong objections to a free tech here though, I'll have to check the tree though to make sure you can't beeline anything too nasty with it.

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or maybe instead of a free tech, it could give a few research points to a random tech you can currently research? (this could be for all then, not just the first to discover it)

i.e. 100 or 200 ?

or maybe instead of a free tech, it could give a few research points to a random tech you can currently research?

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i dont think that's possible with the xml. it IS possible but would require a lot of python work and events. not reall worth it in my oppinion

Psychic_Llamas said:

not reall worth it in my oppinion

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true.

orlanth said:

I think I tracked down that problem; when the mod was installed together with the sound pack, there were issues with the new mod's mainmenu soundtrack having a different tag in audio xmls, plus a mismatch with an earlier version of CivEraInfos using the ERA_INDUSTRIAL tag. I fixed those and made a patch combining that fix with the Fall Further Themes error fix, a trackname fix (bug #NH3), and Events to spawn missionaries with religion tech discovery (will need to add civ-specific python once the Civs XML is done.) So I'll attach all that and you can upload it as a Patch A to replace the Quickfix. (Make a note that the patch should be applied after the soundpack not vice versa.)

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with that update there are no errors loading the mod anymore. (get to main menu with 0 errors)

Also remember, we used to have a free great sage for the first to get astrology.

We don't *need* to have a free tech granted by any tech.

or maybe instead of a free tech, it could give a few research points to a random tech you can currently research? (this could be for all then, not just the first to discover it)

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There is no real functional difference between giving 200 free beakers to everyone who researches philosophy, and just reducing the beaker cost of philosophy by 200

I'd prefer a building or wonder(s), to make the tech more interesting.

Nelia, if you have some thoughts on Wonders, I'd like to hear them (in the design discussion thread). http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8907705&postcount=115

Latest Patch: Patch b

Install Instructions:

• WHoC 0.04 is *actually* a stand alone installation and does not require any other files to be installed
• When installing, make sure the Destination location is correct for your computer. Make sure the directory is something like: {Civ4 Installation directory such as C: Games\}Civilization\Beyond the Sword\Mods\Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04
• Install the mod
• Extract the Warhammer Sound Pack (courtesy of Orlanth) to your 'Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04' directory and overwrite all files. (the mod works without it, however it will just have no sound)
  [*] Prior to applying Patch b it is ESSENTIAL that you:
  
  • Delete the 'Art' File in your "Beyond the Sword\Mods\Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04\Assets" Folder
  • Delete the 'FFPak051' File in your "Beyond the Sword\Mods\Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04\Assets" Folder
  • Delete the 'WHoCPak004' File in your "Beyond the Sword\Mods\Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04\Assets" Folder
  this is because Patch B has recompressed all the art files and must replace the files you are deleting.
• Download the Latest Patch 'Patch b' and Extract it to your 'Mods' folder, allow the extraction to overwrite all files. NOTE: the Patch MUST be applied after the Sound Pack is installed.
• OPTIONAL: In order to avoid some known crashes regarding religious movies, please disable movies under game options.
• Enjoy

Nice, will test tonight.

About to install the patch. Just wanted to check:

Should this:

Delete the Art File in your "Beyond the Sword\Mods\Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04" Folder

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actually read

Delete the Art folder in your "Beyond the Sword\Mods\Warhammer Heart of Chaos 0.04\Assets folder?