Civ V Civilizations Roster

I've been updating my graphic to include the optional civs in Civ II and also the civs in CivRev.

My stock in the Arabs being chosen has risen slightly and in the Babylonians has fallen. I think the 16 in CivRev should all make it, because they're such staple civs, and I still like the Persians, and I think the fans do too. That makes 17. I am very confident in these.

If there's going to be a surprise civ then it's only going to be only one.
 
techathon said:
It will NOT be isreal... It would anger too many Musulems who feel it is their land...

Possibly Viatnam or in the thiland area will be the suprise civ.

The Inca SHOULD be there, I mean their empire was over the size of rome's before spain came in.
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Vietnam would be a really cool civ. but i have a strong feeling that the hebrews (israel is only a modern nation) will be included. sure, there will be controversy stirred but there was when mao and stalin were leaders, when the religions were added, etc etc etc. they may nullify this by including arabia. the only problem i see with including israel/hebrew empire is a leader... the most recent leader in civ 4 is churchill, and it is very doubtful anything much more recent is ever really used. With that in mind, the only modernday israeli leader they could include is David ben-Guriun. however, it is more likely an ancient Hebrew leader will be used. The only problem with this is there isnt much choice, Moses and King David are the only true contenders because for 2000 years there was no hebrew nation. with all that in mind, the hebrews would probably be better off staying as a religion of judaism, simply because the hebrew empire dissolved probably around or even before then... but who knows.
 
I see no reason that the 18 initial civs will be any different to the main list from CIV 1 all those years ago. Theres a good spread of geography, time periods, and civ behaviour.
I won't be upset if the Zulu are back, despite the fact that Mali and Ethiopia are better civs historically speaking, simply because I absolutely LOVE stomping Shaka and his belligerent little armies into the ground.
Same goes for Monty... don't you just love seeing him have his little tantrums?
 
I know, 18 is fixed, but looking at BtS, i think it's not enough.
From the 34 civs in BtS i would kick 10 out, and it would be fine for me. With 24 civs, most of the important history could be covered.
But not with only 18.

cfkane said:
I'm more interested if they'll continue the multiple leaders option. I always thought that was the cleverest addition to Civ 4.
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Not only you.
When i look at all mods around, i think there's not one with more leaderheads (or civs).
I guess, they will not kick it, it's one of the greatest option in CIV, and everybody knows that.
 
Personally, I'd prefer to dump the USA in favor of Ethiopia, change Arabia to the Phoenicians, and even merge Greece with Rome to make room for the Mali, but I very much doubt that Firaxis would go for any of that.
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I don't get why people always try to make this argument. Looking past the marketing suicide of denying the American market to play as themselves, kicking USA out would be like saying that history stopped in 1776. Maybe I'm biased because I am American, but from winning freedom against the greatest empire at the time, the constitution, their influence in recent global conflicts, and technological advancement their impact has been significant. Not to mention that a huge portion of the current civilization turns and technology match up with the lifetime of USA. I'm all for including Mali i feel they much more deserve it than zulu (i think people just enjoy killing the crazed shaka) some civilizations have such an impact that they can't be left out.
 
Quaczar said:
I don't get why people always try to make this argument. Looking past the marketing suicide of denying the American market to play as themselves, kicking USA out would be like saying that history stopped in 1776. Maybe I'm biased because I am American, but from winning freedom against the greatest empire at the time, the constitution, their influence in recent global conflicts, and technological advancement their impact has been significant. Not to mention that a huge portion of the current civilization turns and technology match up with the lifetime of USA. I'm all for including Mali i feel they much more deserve it than zulu (i think people just enjoy killing the crazed shaka) some civilizations have such an impact that they can't be left out.
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Personally I don't like having America in the game, and I really hate how a lot of the civilizations' leaders are modern (like Mao or Stalin), making the whole rest of history of the civilization underrepresented... But I still think that America should be in, regardless. Compared to even other "important" modern-day "civilizations", such as Brazil or Canada, America's contributions to world history have been significantly much more.
 
They can afford to cut the number of final civs (after all the xps) if they specialise the leaders more. E.g. Both Julius Caesar and Justinian were Romans, but Justinian's capital should be Constantinople. Cyrus would have a different city-list than Khusrau Anushirvan, Otto the Great different than Bismarck, Yaroslav the Wise different from Stalin, and so on.
 
^I'm hoping they do multiple leaders, too. It was a nice feature from CivIV I liked, since I could simply play a different leader if I hated the leader of a civ I wanted to play.
 
calgacus said:
They can afford to cut the number of final civs (after all the xps) if they specialise the leaders more. E.g. Both Julius Caesar and Justinian were Romans, but Justinian's capital should be Constantinople. Cyrus would have a different city-list than Khusrau Anushirvan, Otto the Great different than Bismarck, Yaroslav the Wise different from Stalin, and so on.
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personally Basil II is a better leader, he is also "roman" by your "definition".
 
I'm sure you have your arguments as to why Basil II is a better leader, but I only listed Justinian as he was the guy chosen for Civ 4. ;) (And Justinian is Roman by any definition ... :p )
 
calgacus said:
They can afford to cut the number of final civs (after all the xps) if they specialise the leaders more. E.g. Both Julius Caesar and Justinian were Romans, but Justinian's capital should be Constantinople. Cyrus would have a different city-list than Khusrau Anushirvan, Otto the Great different than Bismarck, Yaroslav the Wise different from Stalin, and so on.
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Very good point, especially if they also diversify UUs/UBs. I mean, I don't recall Washington fielding many Navy SEALs. :lol: (Also, may as well use this opportunity to go on my Alexander rant.) In addition to a more period-specific UU/UB (or UUs/UBs) for leaders adding more flavor, this diversification could also address some issues such as Alexander kinda being Greek (but not really) by redoing his city names and giving him Hetairoi (companion) cavalry, since that was really his big contribution to period warfare, while an actual Greek leader like Pericles could get Phalanx. Although by that point, are they just the same civ in name only? I can see it now: Hetairoi (replaces Horse Archer): 8 str, 2 move, +100% vs everyone who spent the whole game spamming Phalanx. :mischief:

Best part of the above though: if different leaders get different UUs, we may even see Whitecoats (read: the sexiest, most kick-ass warriors up until Femshep) for the Brits. Yeah, it's a stretch, but I can hope can't I?
 
I want Vikings! :viking:
 
Okay at the bottom of the official Civ V page it says "choose a country" and there they list USA, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, UK and Australia.
 
I'm an American too (though not a very patriotic one). I readily admit that the US has had a huge impact on the Modern world, from the revolution through the westward expansion through the world wars and the cold war. That said, there have never been any other colonial-based nations represented in the default civilizations of the game! If Canada, Australia, South Africa, Mexico, Gran Colombia, etc. were part of the selection too, the US would make sense. But, when almost every other nation in the game is tied to an ethnicity that has lived in that part of the world for thousands of years, the US stands out like a sore thumb. If the rest of the globe were already covered, then the US would be fine, but it isn't. We always end up with half of the game being European-based, maybe one or two Africans or Native Americans, and then the US is tacked on for marketing reasons. To me, the US should be part of a colonial-themed expansion, not the default game. So yeah, I'm an American and I wouldn't be offended in the least - we're not a power that extends across more than 2/6 of the game's chronological scope. But once again, I don't run Firaxis.
 
This is how I see it. America and other civs, like the Holy Roman Empire, are allowed in the game, because each game of Civ is supposed to be another world. So, when you see America existing in the year 4000 BC, it's because that's a different America from the one we know. Yes, it's based off of it, but they're not the same.
 
If I were making the civ list, my list would be:

Europe:
Greece
Rome
England
France
Germany
Russia

Middle East:
Persia
Sumeria
Arabia
Egypt

Asia:
China
India
Japan
Khmers

Africa:
Mali
Ethiopia

Americas:
America
Aztecs
Incas

Next expansion would probably get Spain, Mongols, Turks, Mayas, Pueblo, and Kongo or something like that.
 
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