No. F*ck no. I do not want that piece of in my computer. I had enough trouble with Empire, and now CIV? This may be putting me off buying it, due to a waste of money on a game that gives you automatic updates that I don't necessarily want.
To add to the hardware requirements, the 512 is listed as the minimum amount of memory your computer needs to have, not what steam itself will consume. Think of it as saying "For Windows and Steam to run, you need to have at least 512mb of memory installed in your pc." The program itself has a fairly small memory footprint when running.
As for hard drive space, I have no idea what its minimum really is. Most of the time the numbers quoted are what the program requires during installation, to unpack itself, installed and cleanup without running out of space. Once that is done its total taken size may well be smaller then 1 gig. Like I said though, I have no idea, my steam folder is just over 80gig now days.
resources I could use elsewhere. I generally shut down all unnessesary applications, including firewall/virus protections (so no internet while playing, I don't need it then anyway) when playing games that require lot of resources to squeese every bit of performance I can get.
Steam does not provide any feature for single player offline gamer so why would I ever want it in my computer in the first place. I never play multiplayer, haven't been playing for years (funny thing is, I think the last serious multiplayer sessions were on Half-Life/CounterStike. Another funny fact: Half-Life anthology was last game I ever bought from Valve).
DRM by it's very nature is intrusive, it very purpose is to restrict how I use the games I buy. Thankfully I can usually crack the games with all the problems it entails, but meh, as long as I can play the game the way I want I'm happy (And before you call me pirate, I own ~200 retail games and around 50 games from DD services, mostly from GOG. It's up to me what I do with them as long as I don't distribute copies of them.).
Fortunately thanks to GOG.com, where I buy most of my games these days, I don't have to do that much anymore. Gamersgate is another DD service I use but mostly to buy Paradox's own games. Thankfully there is pretty widely known workaround allowing users to make fully functional non internet requiring backups of their games but unfortunatlely as far as I've heard it does not work on all 3rd party games there.
You do know that it gathers your system infomation = spyware. I do not know if you can opt out of it (if you can, it should be off by default) but it should not need to gather any data, period. If someone needs information of my system (or anything else for that matter), it's my choise wether or not I provide them. Only police has right to monitor my activities without my knowledge and even they need to suspect me of serious crime and get court permission in order to do it.
And you are the only one entiled to have opinion? Bear in mind that I and most others pissed by Firaxis decision to use steamworks would not mind if installing it was optional or we if could buy the game from retail or DD service of our choise without having to install Steam. One vendor/system/DD service exlusive games should not exist in this day and age anyway.
But anyway, I'll vote with my wallet and skip it. It's a shame as I've bought, played and loved all Civ games and most of spin-offs since Civ 1 came out (Civ I - IV with all expansions (even the test of time thingie), Colonization, Civ IV:Col, Alpha Centauri (no expansion unfortunately), CTP 1&2, MoO 1-3, Galciv 1-2 with all expansions and Master of Magic.)
The amount of space to store sotware is different than the amount of space required to use it. Programs often need extra space to work with. Steam says they need a full gig. Who would you take counsel from? Some random dude on the internetz, or from an official company statement?Steam is currently running on my system and is using 16mb of ram.
The steam platform uses up ~200mb hard disk space on my system.
Why don't you just download steam to check it out? It's not like it costs money.
And I've drank cows milk for 40 years and have never suffered lactose intolerance. Yet other folks do. Different systems, different results.Erm, I've never had Steam crash on me, I've been using it for 5 years and I've opted into their beta testing system.
I'm not downloading something I don't need. I've enough stuff on this machine as is. Thats part of my point.Again, feel free to download it instead of just making things up as you go along. It probably took you longer to make this post than it would take you to download it and just try it for yourself.
I've read elsewhere that you can't legally write to disk. If making a hard copy is allowed, then all's good with that. Still requires the internet for the initial acquisition. But if Firaxis releases a hard copy sale, AND I don't have to use the net to "unlock" the game, then I'm good with that part of the decision.You have no idea how Steam works. It does not limit installs, it allows you to instantly redownload the game as many times as you like on as many machines as you like. It has the facility to burn the game to a DVD or another drive as a backup.
Tin foil hat my arse! Do you read the news? Privacy and security concerns are well founded. A recent facebook screw up which made private info public, makes for a timely example. This is nothing new. Now picture a screw-up like that, or a security compromise, of a service which has direct access to your machine. Something to be mindful of. I take my chances where I choose. But for me, I don't see the value in having Steam in my machine. I just wanted to play the new Civ.Tin foil hat time here. Not sure what you expect anyone to say about that other than welcome to the internet.
I laugh at people like this who know absolutely nothing about Steam. You'd think they'd take 5 minutes to look up actually what Steam does.
The amount of space to store sotware is different than the amount of space required to use it. Programs often need extra space to work with. Steam says they need a full gig. Who would you take counsel from? Some random dude on the internetz, or from an official company statement?
And I've drank cows milk for 40 years and have never suffered lactose intolerance. Yet other folks do. Different systems, different results.
I'm not downloading something I don't need. I've enough stuff on this machine as is. Thats part of my point.
I've read elsewhere that you can't legally write to disk. If making a hard copy is allowed, then all's good with that. Still requires the internet for the initial acquisition. But if Firaxis releases a hard copy sale, AND I don't have to use the net to "unlock" the game, then I'm good with that part of the decision.
Tin foil hat my arse! Do you read the news? Privacy and security concerns are well founded. A recent facebook screw up which made private info public, makes for a timely example. This is nothing new. Now picture a screw-up like that, or a security compromise, of a service which has direct access to your machine. Something to be mindful of. I take my chances where I choose. But for me, I don't see the value in having Steam in my machine. I just wanted to play the new Civ.
STEAM:
the program.................the user (me)...............CPU....RAM
That's quite lot for useless background app. Only program on my system that consumes more is my internet security suite with ~37k, next comes scvhost at ~29k, then csrss at ~27k, then couple printer related apps at 15 - 20k each, the rest is under 10k. Let me show how much GOG.com and GamersGate clients use... wait, neither has one!
It uses... 32,000 RAM
My 2005 system has... 4,000,000,000 RAM
WHAT A SYSTEM HOG OMG!!!
It uses... 32,000 RAM
My 2005 system has... 4,000,000,000 RAM
WHAT A SYSTEM HOG OMG!!! It uses a whole 1/125000th of my RAM! Freaking system hog, god, NO WAY AM I GOING TO DOWNLOAD THIS
Hey,
Just a little question. I don't know what this steam really is and implies. But from reading the posts I have now some kind of an idea about it. Will it be possible to install/play the game on a computer which has no internet connection ?
And also, I find this deluxe version very very stupid.
Thanks for the help
I'm sorry, Chalks, but you've answered the question incorrectly.Hey,
Just a little question. I don't know what this steam really is and implies. But from reading the posts I have now some kind of an idea about it. Will it be possible to install/play the game on a computer which has no internet connection ?
And also, I find this deluxe version very very stupid.
Thanks for the help
It's a free download, it really would make life a lot easier if you just went and downloaded it...
no worries. I do excactly same when steam fanboys do the same with other DD services. For some reason they don't take the 5 minutes to look at the other DD servises either So while we're having fun with each others expense, you could tell me how to use steam without installing steam client so I could test it If you can tell me that I promise I'll try Steam. Agreed?
Trust me, or do without my custom.