The main advantage of the Samurai that it is the UU of the most powerful unit in the game (LSM). War chariot is way more better than chariot comparing the difference to longsword and samuray. But chariot is weak so the chariot uu is weak.
Unique Unit Elimination Thread
- Thread starter Sparthage
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The main advantage of the Samurai that it is the UU of the most powerful unit in the game (LSM). War chariot is way more better than chariot comparing the difference to longsword and samuray. But chariot is weak so the chariot uu is weak.
Save_Ferris
Admiring Myself
I'm really in favor of the final 2 being Samurai and Jannisaries. Too bad 'Zerkers are DLC, they'd get pretty far in this thread.
turtlefang
Warlord
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-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 12
-Landsknecht 16
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 17
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9 (-2)
-Minutemen 18
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22 (+1)
-Legion 21
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 23
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
The B17 a good unit and with good promotions but has no impact on the game. By the time it arrives, the game's over. The Persian Immortals arrive early, can carry you up to - and in some cases through - the middle ages. Plus their special healing will last the game applies to all the infantry upgrades. It just has a game long impact.
-Panzer 12
-Landsknecht 16
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 17
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9 (-2)
-Minutemen 18
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22 (+1)
-Legion 21
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 23
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
The B17 a good unit and with good promotions but has no impact on the game. By the time it arrives, the game's over. The Persian Immortals arrive early, can carry you up to - and in some cases through - the middle ages. Plus their special healing will last the game applies to all the infantry upgrades. It just has a game long impact.
NicTeos
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yea, long swordmen are awesome, but as you self say, samurai aren't that much better than LSM. So for me it not really matters if I would have samurai or LSM, other than for example the 25% att bonus and heal effect of the Jannisaries.
Maybe we need antoher elimination game for the base units
, but Samurai are for me only middle tier ... I'm also looking for their advantages and shock I and generals II are nice, but that nice ?
Maybe we need antoher elimination game for the base units
, but Samurai are for me only middle tier ... I'm also looking for their advantages and shock I and generals II are nice, but that nice ?-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 12
-Landsknecht 16
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 17
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9 (-2)
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22 (+1)
-Legion 21
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
longbowmen make nice upgrades from archers(especially with promotions already in place). they're great at taking and defending cities. probably england's greatest asset in the game.
-Panzer 12
-Landsknecht 16
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 17
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9 (-2)
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22 (+1)
-Legion 21
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
longbowmen make nice upgrades from archers(especially with promotions already in place). they're great at taking and defending cities. probably england's greatest asset in the game.
Man vs Civ AI
Chieftain
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-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 13 (+1)
-Landsknecht 16
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15 (-2)
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 21
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
I prefer more modern units. Also tanks are cheap compared to mech inf., so Panzer +1.
-Panzer 13 (+1)
-Landsknecht 16
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15 (-2)
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 21
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
I prefer more modern units. Also tanks are cheap compared to mech inf., so Panzer +1.
elprofesor
Pluri-editing poster
We are still waiting for a close-up on the zero's thumbnail and the respective pun (which should be easy...!), trend so joyfully started with the chariot archer elimination, Sparthage!
No pressure, though
No pressure, though
Mustakrakish
In 'Node' We Trust
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 13
-Landsknecht 14 (16 -2)
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22 (21 +1)
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
-Panzer 13
-Landsknecht 14 (16 -2)
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22 (21 +1)
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 28
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
vexing
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the big advantage of samurai isn't exactly shock one, it's that they only need to earn 60 exp to get to march, 100 exp for march+blitz, instead of the 150 a regular longsword needs. having a few samurai with march and blitz completely trivializes any conquest.
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
My vote for the day:
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 22
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
And the Zero comes in 27th. 
Spoiler :
bcaiko
Emperor
yea, long swordmen are awesome, but as you self say, samurai aren't that much better than LSM. So for me it not really matters if I would have samurai or LSM, other than for example the 25% att bonus and heal effect of the Jannisaries.
Maybe we need antoher elimination game for the base units
You are clearly missing the "cool" factor of killing things with a Samurai.
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 9
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
-Panzer 9
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 9
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 27
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
Save_Ferris
Admiring Myself
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 9
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 7
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
Okay, I just don't like aircraft units in general.
-Panzer 9
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 7
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
Okay, I just don't like aircraft units in general.
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 10
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 5
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
come on give the panzer a chance - it is a good unit. better than b17 or jag warrior in any case!
-Panzer 10
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 5
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 20
-Musketeer 21
come on give the panzer a chance - it is a good unit. better than b17 or jag warrior in any case!
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 5
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
Calvary upgrade to panzers! Promote a few skilled ones from earlier conquests and blow through armies with a panzer blitz in the industrial era.
OTH - A special lancer is still a dead lancer most of the time. Sure they make decent scouts I guess but the Lancer type units are generally too weak to use. And how often do you find yourself pillaging during a war?
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 5
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 29
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
Calvary upgrade to panzers! Promote a few skilled ones from earlier conquests and blow through armies with a panzer blitz in the industrial era.
OTH - A special lancer is still a dead lancer most of the time. Sure they make decent scouts I guess but the Lancer type units are generally too weak to use. And how often do you find yourself pillaging during a war?
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 3
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 31
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 3
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 21
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 31
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
elprofesor
Pluri-editing poster
I'm posting only 23h after my last post, but I'm going to sleep, so...
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 3
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 19
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 32
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 3
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 19
-Cossack 21
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 32
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
-Hoplite 13
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 3
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 19
-Cossack 22 (+1)
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 30 (-2)
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
-Panzer 11
-Landsknecht 14
-Ballista 16
-Ship of the line 15
-Companion cavalry 17
-B17 3
-Minutemen 16
-Camel archer 20
-War elephant 21
-Mohawk warrior 19
-Cossack 22 (+1)
-Immortal 22
-Legion 22
-Mandekalu cavalry 23
-Foreign Legion 21
-Jaguar warrior 23
-Longbowman 24
-Naresuan elephant 24
-Chu-Ko-Nu 24
-Samurai 28
-Janissary 30 (-2)
-Sipahi 18
-Musketeer 21
