What's with all the hate?

Swein Forkbeard said:
Civ3? Buzz off and play, uhm, Half-Life or something instead.
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Alas, the old steam powered PC would probably collapse under the strain of Half-Life! Which is basically why I bought The Orange Box for the 360. I haven't played it much yet though, because for some strange reason it gives me motion sickness playing Half-Life for too long. But my son loves it to bits!

Thrallia said:
have you tried Puzzle Quest for the 360? It's like an RPG mixed with Bejeweled! Its nuts and very addictive!
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Yes, indeed! In fact, I was so bowled over by the demo I rushed straight into town to buy the gamer points I needed to get the full game! Lol...I still haven't managed to beat 'Lord What's His Name' yet, but it's a great little game for just filling the odd hour or two, or when you don't fancy tackling anything too deep! :)

Thrallia said:
Btw, you should post your gamertag in the gamertag thread so that you can find a number of CFC members to play CivRev against :)
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I would love too! It's just that I'm still on silver at the moment, and for the last couple of weeks I've been having a problem with the 360, that I'm told is the prelude to the RROD. I've tried the towel trick, and miraculously, it seems to be holding out. At the moment though, I'm just a tad reluctant to be throwing money at gold while there's still a pretty good chance that it could die on me at any time!

I think it goes without saying that I'm gutted by this! And as you may recall, I had it all planned out to buy a three month gold account when the Civ Rev demo was released. That way, I wouldn't have to wait a week to download it. Although that very much depended on just how close the demo was, to the full game being released.

But what the heck! Here's my gamertag anyway, it's BustedKarma. And if you still feel that it's worth putting it in the gamertag thread, then please feel free to do so! Hopefully, my current problems with the 360 will get resolved one way or the other quite soon; and who knows, I might even get the chance to have some fun online with you guys in the not too distant future! :)
 
I've added a couple guys from the 2K forums that are currently silver as well, I usually have silver, but I've got 25 1 month trials(yay GTAIV for having 1 month trials, and yay for blockbuster not taking them out before putting their rentals on the shelves :rolleyes:), and a 13 month paid membership sitting around for my usage :)

I got the RROD last year the week Bioshock came out...it was a shame when it happened, but everything is still under warranty with the RROD, and if they get your address right, it'll take a max of 10 days for you to get a new system(they don't bother fixing yours, they just give you a new one).

Hopefully your system recovers without getting it, I had a lot of homework to work on at the time mine died to keep me busy, but now its summer...no schoolwork to keep anyone busy.
 
I think it's a bit of a sell out, tbh. Over-simplifying a brilliant PC game in order to grap a quick dollar, and putting gratituous amounts of tits in in order to wheel in the punters.

Civ Rev will always be a slightly watered down and glib remake of civilisation. But is there anything wrong with attempting to appeal to wider audience?

If it means pumping time and resources into such a game, then it's a betrayal of the original fanbase...

But hey, you never know. Might be really . .. .. .. .ing fun :D
 
Ah, the age old computer age problem... Glass isnt either half full, or half empty. Its either totally full, or utter . .. .. .. .. 1-0-syndrome. To me its seems great that maybe more young people will get into strategy games. Because, if you think a bit further people, the scene will die without new blood. And when you accept the fact that generation after generation is always different, i just hope that this game will bring more people to the scene. Personally, i wont be playing it, since im a PC man myself. But let them be with the new one, ill stick with IV. And i have to add, that its been said, that its NOT Civ V...
 
Kleppo said:
Glass isnt either half full, or half empty. Its either totally full, or utter . .. .. .. .. 1-0-syndrome.
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As an engineer, I would say the glass is twice the size it needs to be... :crazyeye:


But anyways, as a PC and Wii owner, I'm a little sad that I can't try it out.
 
I agree with most that CivRev appears to be interesting and worth another look when the game is released. I own a Wii and I hope to get my hands on the game when it comes out. From what I have seen, the combat system and promotion system may be improvements over CivIV(even with BtS). I wouldn't mind having some of those improvements in CivV...

denogginizer said:
As an engineer, I would say the glass is twice the size it needs to be... :crazyeye:


But anyways, as a PC and Wii owner, I'm a little sad that I can't try it out.
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CivRev is being released for Wii, it's just been delayed until September or October.

P.S. Sorry for the Double Post:D
 
actually, right now the Wii version is on indefinite hold...they felt they couldn't devote the resources to it right now for it to be a worthy version of the game. If it does well on the other consoles, they'll probably go back and finish it for the Wii.
 
Really, there is CivRev hate?:) A month ago there was barely no info about the game. How come we have "hate" now? My two cents:

Let's see the game first and then hate. I thought CIV IV was going to be a major disappointment because I thought they would neglect the gameplay for 3D stuff. It turned out it was a very well made game. Still, there's a lot to improve there. For example, large territory still gives too much advantage. ICS is NOT dead. I think it got transformed into infinite city conquer. Down with the pleasure of arranging your own cities:( Wonders don't really matter, except maybe the Stonehenge (if you are not creative) and the Internet.

What's good about the Civilization that the other games don't have:

1. It's turn-based.
2. You can interact with the AI. The diplomacy is getting better with each patch/expansion/version.
3. A great combo of warmongering + peaceful building.

What's not good:

1. It's too time consuming.
2. The strategy balance can be upgraded.
3. Peaceful building is neglected.

The Civilization's major advantages are it's AI and being turn based. If I want only a brilliantly balanced strategy game, I'd play Age of Empires (the Conquerors) or chess. If I want MP, I would play Frozen Throne (AoE ladder games died :( ) However, AoE gets boring very fast without MP and Warcraft lacks too much in strategy balance (And I'm too stupid for chess:p). But the Civilization!!! That's a whole new world. Not as balanced as AoE but not as meaningless in strategy as Warcraft either. And the AIs are like real persons!! It's an adventure!

So, I play CIV IV because it is turn based and because of the AIs.

I like to see CivRev as an upgrade to CIV IV (like CIV IV was an upgrade to CIV III).

What I hope to see in CivRev:

1. Good soundtracks. The Warlords soundtrack is DEPRESSIVE!!! And really, I always try to jet out of the medieval ASAP because of all the depressive christian choirs. Hey, my religion is hinduism, buddhism, confucianism - why the christian choirs?:( Not that they are gonna bring Baba Yetu back but we can have some good soundtracks!

2. The great persons and the specialists were a great thing. Maybe develop the concept more and give less importance to territorial expansion? Down with big empires, long live city management!

3. Less deserts on the maaap!

4. Really, console only??? Or I got it wrong? Heh. Maybe someone in the management team heard that consoles are the future because there are no torrents and cracks for consoles and maybe they are right. But still..who plays consoles apart from kids and a limited audience of nerds. My deepest reverence to the last category, they rock and 'own' but I do think they are a very limited number. And kids like hack and slash, not turn based things:p

5. The great leader thing was great. Down with mass stacks and huge numbers and more specialized units pls!

And last, don't hesitate to take the positive examples of other games?:) Like, Warcraft sucked badly (and maybe still does) because you had to manually select your barracks, blacksmith etc. Years before them, AoE had ctrl+B to select the barracks, ctrl + A for the archery range, etc. Blizzard are stupid for refusing to learn, aren't they?:) New concepts such as bringing religion into CIV IV are awesome.

6. An even smarter AI. Sometimes I get the feeling the AIs are just trying to cause trouble and not aim to win the game. More bonuses from friendly relations and not only penalties for angering the neighbours would rock as well.

So, I wish good luck to the new game:)
 
I started to play Civ II when I was pretty damn young, you'd be surprised at the broadness of its appeal.

But yes! Oh god, that awful choir music in the Medieval era, which gets stuck in your head over and over. Perhaps nation specific music, if that wouldn't be an unnecessary extravagance. Music to raze cities to, if you get me.

The AI does seem to just make trouble, not aim to win, except on space race. What'd be good would be an AI that you couldn't read like a book, and didn't judge you based on a simple points system.


Another thing, is it just me, or have wars lost much of their realism?
I don't know.
 
Thrallia said:
actually, right now the Wii version is on indefinite hold...they felt they couldn't devote the resources to it right now for it to be a worthy version of the game. If it does well on the other consoles, they'll probably go back and finish it for the Wii.
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Actually, Nintendo Power Magazine has posted the release-date for september
 
I've played every Civ game ever made, Sid is a total genius. It's the only game I've ever been addicted to. If he says it's good to have a handheld version, then I believe him! (Plus it will make the wait at doctor's offices, etc a lot easier to handle).. Sid for President!
 
well, I hope it's good!
 
Duncan_Idaho said:
4. Really, console only??? Or I got it wrong? Heh. Maybe someone in the management team heard that consoles are the future because there are no torrents and cracks for consoles and maybe they are right. But still..who plays consoles apart from kids and a limited audience of nerds. My deepest reverence to the last category, they rock and 'own' but I do think they are a very limited number. And kids like hack and slash, not turn based things:p
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I think you'd be surprised to know the actual demographic of console gamers. I switched from PC gaming (other than Civ) about 4 years ago because it was cheaper than keeping my PC upgraded for all the latest games. I'm 46 and play with a large group of adult gamers. I'm no more nerdy now than I was when I played PC games all the time.
 
Thinker19930602 said:
Actually, Nintendo Power Magazine has posted the release-date for september
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I doubt Nintendo Power knows better than the actual people working on the game. There was a lot of discord when the hold was announced, I doubt Jason or Elizabeth would sit here and let us still be upset about it if they had changed their minds.
 
Hey, let's not forget Gran Turismo, Mario Kart, etc.

You know, Civ4 is waaayyyyyyy too time consuming, and so I don't really care for the series anymore. Yes, I know there will be a lot of "blah" coming at me, but here are all the games on Gamerankings that are higher than Civ4 (not in order).

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
God of War
Burnout 3: Takedown
Halo 3
Grand Theft Auto III
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Resident Evil Code: Veronica
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Gears of War
Company of Heroes
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Ninja Gaiden Black
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
Half-Life
Halo 2
NFL 2K1
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Perfect Dark
Gran Turismo
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
GoldenEye 007
BioShock
Half-Life 2
Halo: Combat Evolved
Resident Evil 4
Tekken 3
Super Mario 64
Soul Calibur
Metroid Prime
The Orange Box
Super Mario Galaxy
Grand Theft Auto IV
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

And it's missing a buch of old games (e.g., TIE Fighter, X-COM, StarCraft) plus things like Metal Gear Solid 3, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy XII, Metroid Prime 2 and 3, Virtua Fighter 4, Madden NFL 2004, Mario Kart DS, Rome: Total War, etc.

Shout everything you want, but nowadays I can't get into Civ4 without forcing myself.
 
The warning applies to other forums as well, Swein.

We don't need statistics. GameRankings and sites like those don't automatically decide how good games are.

Sorry to get off-topic.
 
Duncan_Idaho said:
Really, there is CivRev hate?:) A month ago there was barely no info about the game. How come we have "hate" now? My two cents:

Let's see the game first and then hate. I thought CIV IV was going to be a major disappointment because I thought they would neglect the gameplay for 3D stuff. It turned out it was a very well made game. Still, there's a lot to improve there. For example, large territory still gives too much advantage. ICS is NOT dead. I think it got transformed into infinite city conquer. Down with the pleasure of arranging your own cities:( Wonders don't really matter, except maybe the Stonehenge (if you are not creative) and the Internet.

What's good about the Civilization that the other games don't have:

1. It's turn-based.
2. You can interact with the AI. The diplomacy is getting better with each patch/expansion/version.
3. A great combo of warmongering + peaceful building.

What's not good:

1. It's too time consuming.
2. The strategy balance can be upgraded.
3. Peaceful building is neglected.

The Civilization's major advantages are it's AI and being turn based. If I want only a brilliantly balanced strategy game, I'd play Age of Empires (the Conquerors) or chess. If I want MP, I would play Frozen Throne (AoE ladder games died :( ) However, AoE gets boring very fast without MP and Warcraft lacks too much in strategy balance (And I'm too stupid for chess:p). But the Civilization!!! That's a whole new world. Not as balanced as AoE but not as meaningless in strategy as Warcraft either. And the AIs are like real persons!! It's an adventure!

So, I play CIV IV because it is turn based and because of the AIs.

I like to see CivRev as an upgrade to CIV IV (like CIV IV was an upgrade to CIV III).

What I hope to see in CivRev:

1. Good soundtracks. The Warlords soundtrack is DEPRESSIVE!!! And really, I always try to jet out of the medieval ASAP because of all the depressive christian choirs. Hey, my religion is hinduism, buddhism, confucianism - why the christian choirs?:( Not that they are gonna bring Baba Yetu back but we can have some good soundtracks!

2. The great persons and the specialists were a great thing. Maybe develop the concept more and give less importance to territorial expansion? Down with big empires, long live city management!

3. Less deserts on the maaap!

4. Really, console only??? Or I got it wrong? Heh. Maybe someone in the management team heard that consoles are the future because there are no torrents and cracks for consoles and maybe they are right. But still..who plays consoles apart from kids and a limited audience of nerds. My deepest reverence to the last category, they rock and 'own' but I do think they are a very limited number. And kids like hack and slash, not turn based things:p

5. The great leader thing was great. Down with mass stacks and huge numbers and more specialized units pls!

And last, don't hesitate to take the positive examples of other games?:) Like, Warcraft sucked badly (and maybe still does) because you had to manually select your barracks, blacksmith etc. Years before them, AoE had ctrl+B to select the barracks, ctrl + A for the archery range, etc. Blizzard are stupid for refusing to learn, aren't they?:) New concepts such as bringing religion into CIV IV are awesome.

6. An even smarter AI. Sometimes I get the feeling the AIs are just trying to cause trouble and not aim to win the game. More bonuses from friendly relations and not only penalties for angering the neighbours would rock as well.

So, I wish good luck to the new game:)
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Just to let you know of some pirate info, consoles are not safe anymore as they can download it and burn it to a CD or use it on a emulator.

now on to topic, I don't mind Civ revolution to be in the consoles, because I will soon get the money to go out and get a xbox 360 and play it. However there is something that I wish to know about this game, how will the cheat menu and stuff be able to play well into the consoles? I still wish to get unlimited amount of cash so that I can gain a advantage and don't worry about the negative feed going though when I get too many cities and can't afford troops when I'm in the war.

I also wish that pillaging gain more yield, like around 200-400 cash instead of 100 or below as it don't bold well on the war economy. I also wish this game got an awesome soundtrack, I want more instrumental and more realistic music. Classical sound too much like a ever-going march, and medieval has too many Christianity chores and nothing else. I perfer some celtic/norse songs and all other types of music... better yet, I want them to have at least 20 songs per era.

I also wonder, is modding going to expand bigger then Civ 4? if not then that will be disappointing, as I want to add in many things, customize everything, from animation (for real sword fighting and battles), terrain with effect (forest fires, lava flow, flood, hurricanes... etc), and I like to see some funny actions from the units. I hope modding here is good, because I want to see the best mods from Civ 4 to be well on Civ Rev.
 
CivRev is not going to be in nearly any way what you guys seem to be expecting.

1) There is no cheat menu
2) There is no city maintenance
3) There is no unit maintenance
3) There is no modding
4) There will be much less gold than in Civ4
5) Great People will be more rare and more powerful
6) There are no city specialists
7) Culture is not related to city radius expansion, only empire border expansion
8) There will be no 'epic' games, you can play a complete epic game from start to finish in anywhere from an hour to six hours
9) Of the 4 Victory types, only one is militaristic(Technological, Cultural, Monetary, and Domination)
10) There is no city razing
11) There are no workers
12) There are no strategic resources


What it will be is a great strategy game, boiled down to the core things that make Civ such a great game and series.

As for the piracy thing...emulators are not possible with any of the current consoles...they are too powerful for it to be possible for any computer to run an emulator for them...if I recall, computer specs need to be at least 6x the console's specs to be able to run an emulator well(at least, for PS1 and SNES emulators you need a 1000MHz+/500MHz+ CPU to run them well and that's well over 6x what the PS1 and SNES had).
 
:faint:WTF!?!?!?!?!? ONLY AN HOUR TO SIX HOURS ON EPIC!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!??!?!?!:faint:
 
um, I think you misunderstand me. I meant epic in two different ways in that sentence(thus why I quoted one) 'epic' meant a game that takes a heck of a long time to play...epic meant a game spanning the entirety of recorded human history.

I don't know if there are multiple speeds you can play on or not, they've not told us that from what I've been able to glean. However, there are tons of people pushing for bigger maps and options for longer games in the DLC.
 
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