Aussie Prime Minister calls leadership vote

Still committed by Australians.
 
For the use of the Crown, when we were under the direct authority of England. in fact some Aboriginal groups had to go to England to get bones of past Aboriginal elders, because of that, so are you saying that they played no part in it?
 
Look at the Australian attempt to apologise for genocide committed by his ancestors, sadly this all the Australians know

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useless said:
Still committed by Australians.
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What Australians? The term didn't even have common currency until after the First World War. Besides which, the majority of the country was born in the bloody Mother Country until the Second World War. They even called themselves Britains or just Anglo-Britians if they had a natavist streak and the latter lot were decidedly in the minority.

useless said:
Look at the Australian attempt to apologise for genocide committed by his ancestors, sadly this all the Australians know
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You do realise that sixty per cent of the population has no roots in Australia prior to the late forties when the mass immigration programs began. Also,

"Look at the British fellow attempting to apologise for the multiplicity of genocides committed by his ancestors across the globe, sadly this all the British know."

classical_hero said:
For the use of the Crown, when we were under the direct authority of England. in fact some Aboriginal groups had to go to England to get bones of past Aboriginal elders, because of that, so are you saying that they played no part in it?
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Just keep the analogy of the pot calling the new aluminium kettle black.
 
Masada said:
Please improve the quality and content of your posts. They tend to be stuck somewhere around Neanderthal.



Yes, there are. I don't think there's been a blatantly racist politician since Hanson. Furthermore, at least we don't have explicitly racist parties representing us in any supra-national institutions we might be party to...



... I haven't seen any formal apologies for the murders of Aboriginals committed when Australia was still appended to the British Crown. But in terms of acknowledging horrible past actions its important to remember that we've only just seen an apology from the British Government for open and shut cases of murder perpetrated by British troops deployed in Northern Ireland.
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It's pretty much Wilson Tuckey and maybe Cory Bernardi on a bad day, at the moment.
 
And so Federal unionism begins. Unions pushed Gillard into the top job to eliminate the 40% mining tax. That's all her job is to do, then the far right will ditch her.

Miners get the tax removed, unions gain power again, Gillard gets her fame and glory, Abbott wins the election. Everyone wins!
 
Except for the fact that the proper nouns exist, very little of that post sounds remotely accurate.
 
Obviously you don't keep up with politics. Gillard is a unionist. Australia Workers Union and trades hall bosses (unionists) and Labor far right heavyweights (more unionists) got her into the top job. Who are the unions in the back pocket of? Mining companies, and have been since the 50's. Hell, does no one even see the similarity between the Gillard-Union alliance and the Hawke-Union alliance of the 80's?

Or am I the only old fart to see the obvious Labor history repeating?
 
Arwon said:
It's pretty much Wilson Tuckey and maybe Cory Bernardi on a bad day, at the moment.
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Disappointing isn't it. We can't even must up anyone with real shock value at the moment. Bleh.
 
Dale said:
Or am I the only old fart to see the obvious Labor history repeating?
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No there is a couple around :), I'm of the Unionist variety... Construction and Mining :D

So this is the THIRD time I've seen the Prime Minister rolled by them, don't forget Whitlam and Caines waiting in the dark ally way to find out their policy and who could be in their Cabinet while the Unions decided in the warmth of trades hall.

What really irks me is such a blatant display of arrogance to the elected head of Australia and the hypocrisy of their speeches on republicanism and how Aussies deserve to elect their head of state
 
OMG unions sure are eeeevil
 
Arwon said:
OMG unions sure are eeeevil
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I wouldn't say evil, its just such a better training ground than business when it comes to politics :) i just think people should be straight up about it

Socialists in the trades Union movement are committed to Gaining and maintaining Govt. at all costs, to implement their polices. everything else is pointless verbose academia by the chattering upper class. Julie just did the Machiavellian thing and waited till she was called to serve. Good on her if she avoids to much fall out from the school building program mismanagement she's home free.

An early quick election would put her in power before the full reports become known, Bob Hawk is too wise to set this in motion with an overheard comment, after all he's a past ACTU president. apart from Julie who's gained ? ... Unionist faction leaders given cabinet posts

you just gotto love Aussie politics :D
 
More apologetic apologism. You disappoint me. I've never said the British didn't commit genocide, so stop shoving words in my mouth
 
Dale said:
Or am I the only old fart to see the obvious Labor history repeating?
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Well, you made it sound more like a conspiracy theory than a repetition of history. Sure, there should be a move towards more union power coming out of this, simply because she is of that faction, but that doesn't mean we're going to return to any perceived dark days of the 80's.

I'm a little confused about the union backing of Gillard, to be honest, given that she seemed to have the one goal in her job as Education Minister of doing exactly what the teachers and teachers union did not want.
 
Camikaze said:
I'm a little confused about the union backing of Gillard, to be honest, given that she seemed to have the one goal in her job as Education Minister of doing exactly what the teachers and teachers union did not want.
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Its simple pay back by the Unions, what was the one thing Rudd had that no other Labour PM had ... the right to pick his own Cabinet, which he did

what did Julie say in her acceptance speech right before saying "and in conclusion...."
"their will be changes in the front bench", and what did she say during her first interview tonight, "yes i will be consulting with the ALP .. before selecting my Cabinet..."

These are carefully chosen words, remember its only weeks since Rudd was the most popular PM ever, a couple of small cracks and the factions stabbed him in the back they (we) never had any intention of relenting any power, 120 years of traditions
like i say its pay back time
history just keeps repeating itself :D
 
Well I understand that the unions through the factions would want control over who's in the cabinet, but I don't understand how Julia Gillard is a good figurehead for them, given her previous and quite prominent disregard for at least the teacher's unions. I'm curious as to why the unions as a whole tolerated that, and now seem to be rewarding it.
 
@ Camikaze

Bobs comment that set this all in motion, paraphrased

if we dump Rudd and Julie loses the next election we have burned our two top stars and would have little depth left

This is politics ... the art of the possible
everyones a winner this week
 
She's not actually particularly factional - more opportunistic. She is nominally of the left but obviously not beholden to either. She and Rudd haven't caucused with factions since the election and there's no reason that won't continue. She'll choose her own cabinet like Rudd and continue to weaken the factional power in the party through sheer precedent-setting and establishment of new practices, just as Rudd and she did before.
 
She conceded that at her first interview tonight, and alluded to it in her acceptance speech


*Edit* Yep Rudd certainly set some new precidents today, I don't think he's very happy with them thoe , another shinnig example of weakening factional power *EDIT*
 
I'm not sure it counts as a factional dumping when almost everyone abandoned him.
 
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