It's Election Season in Canada(?)

Who would you vote for?


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Are you sure it's actually regressive as opposed to just attacked as such by opponents? That charge gets constantly levelled at any attempt to introduce carbon pricing or environmental taxation, but every such policy I have ever seen has included tax offsets or straight-up compensation to low and middle income earners. This is entirely reaonable, since the point of such taxation is to change the relative price incentives faced by people and businesses, rather than absolute price conditions.

The charge gets levelled against them by the NDP, Liberals and torries. But no I'm not sure. As I said, I don't pay much attention to the Greens, and my opinion on this is based in their centrism. I see them as somewhat redundant politically though their existence certainly invigorates politics. I generally support their objectives and wouldn't mind if they garnered enough support to get the Liberals or a Liberal-NDP coalition to enact some of their ideas.

It's a disgusting feature of FPTP that forces that sort of tactical voting choice to be made.

Compared to where I actually can vote, at least here exists the option of tactical voting.
 
Wow, I just looked at the numbers for Calgary, it's even less competitive than I imagined...

Yeah, its pretty bad. The last non-Conservative/Alliance/PC/Reform candidate to be elected here was in 1968...

The joke around here is you can get a bag of potatoes elected as long as it ran as a Conservative.

As an American, can I just take a moment to have a friendly laugh at your country for not having regular elections?

Cause the American system is so much better? :p


Don't worry. The patron gods of our great Canadian nation are punishing them.



Everything in its right place.

Which is of course why they rewarded us by getting rid of Darryl Sutter? :p
 
Don't they teach you Canadians how your government works ?
You have a Westminster type system with a GG etc.
If Harper loses a vote of confidence an election is NOT automatic unless due.
Governor-General David Johnston has the power to say to Harper no, no election until the leader of the opposition has had the chance to see if he /she can form a government and to see if it has the confidence of the house.
If the GG does not do that one would then have to wonder about how neutral he is.
Your last GG made a bad error in allowing Harper to shut parliament down before a vote of confidence was taken.
 
Don't they teach you Canadians how your government works ?
You have a Westminster type system with a GG etc.
If Harper loses a vote of confidence an election is NOT automatic unless due.
Governor-General David Johnston has the power to say to Harper no, no election until the leader of the opposition has had the chance to see if he /she can form a government and to see if it has the confidence of the house.
If the GG does not do that one would then have to wonder about how neutral he is.
Your last GG made a bad error in allowing Harper to shut parliament down before a vote of confidence was taken.

The opposition parties have publicly declared they will not attempt to form a government. A non-confidence vote will be an election. The decision to prorogue was terrible indeed.
 
We have our flaws, but at least we know when our elections are going to take place.

Which shows how much you know about the Westminster system, they are fixed term unless the government loses a vote of confidence then the GG has th e option of new elections or asking the opposition to form a government.
You have flaws ? a president appointed by a court whose members were appointed by politicians, yes that may be a slight flaw.
 
I'll probably vote Liberal for two reasons.
a) They're the main opposition party and if I want the Conservatives out of office it would make sense to vote for them and not "split" the vote to the Green Party or the NDP...
b) In my riding the only party that has a chance at taking it back from the Conservatives is a Liberal candidate. The other two parties (i'm not counting the Bloc) don't stand a chance.
 
We have our flaws, but at least we know when our elections are going to take place.

Better to have more frequent elections than insane corporate lobbying I should think. Plus this is an unusual occurrence.

And unless someone brings down the government through a vote of non-confidence, we do have fixed election dates, as of 2007. Third Monday in October, in the fourth year following the last election.
 
As an American, can I just take a moment to have a friendly laugh at your country for not having regular elections?

It has its benefits. Perhaps the biggest is you don't end up having elections for every single thing at all levels of government, on one ballot, on the same day.

So provincial/state politics (and local politics) can actually get attention as a stand-alone thing, and just because a party does well federally, doesn't automatically mean it will win at a state level.
 
WOW!!!! I'll be able to vote!!!!

Im gonna need to do some more research though
Congratulations! :)

Research is very important - read your local paper and watch the news. Attend at least one election forum in your riding so you can see and hear the candidates in person. That way you can see if their body language matches up with what they say. It's easy to lie or be insincere and get away with it in print. It's a lot harder in person.

And don't let anybody tell you how to vote. Don't let anybody try to intimidate you. This is a matter of your own conscience, and it's between you and the ballot. Nobody has the right to make you tell how you voted, either. They might ask, and it's up to you whether or not you want to say.

Somebody asked me how I voted in one of the referendums back in the Mulroney years... I told them, quite truthfully: "With a pencil." :p

As far as scandals go, well the Liberals have a habit of giving juicy goverment contracts to their buddies (what else is new). They also like to reward their supporters in the private sector with cushy goverment appointments (senate seats for life are a favourite).
The Conservatives do that, too. Else how did Mike Duffy get his Senate seat? :coffee:

Hmm. What social issues are those? Euthanasia? Gay Marriage?
I haven't heard much recently about euthanasia, except as it applies to the Robert Latimer case. He spent ~10 years in jail for the mercy killing of his severely disabled daughter. Gay marriage became legal a long time ago, so it's not something anybody would want to use as an election issue.

I'm not sure if this would be properly considered a social issue, but there have been some controversies involving denying government services to Muslim women who are veiled, and whether to allow Sikhs to carry krpans in government buildings.

I'll vote either Liberal or NDP. Will likely depend on some big statement by either candidate, or a snap decision inside the voting booth. I'm leaning Liberal at the moment. Not that it will make a frakking difference of course; riding will go at least 60% Tory. Thank the gods for Albertans and FPTP.
Well, at least one Albertan won't be voting Tory (me). Never have, never will.

Honestly, if the Tories win yet another plurality, it's probably a good thing overall. After failing to win a majority 3 (4?) times, the Tory leadership will have to catch on to the fact that Harper is simply unelectable. If we get rid of him, Tory rule would likely be pretty bearable.
Who do you think would be a good replacement for Harper?

And yeah, I like Iggy too. I really don't get all the hate that gets directed his way.
As I understand it, the problem is because he spent most of his working life in the U.S. and only came back to Canada because of the opportunity to become Liberal leader when Stephane Dion was backstabbed out of his position. Consequently, some people wonder if he would be more loyal to Canada, or to the U.S.

It's a disgusting feature of FPTP that forces that sort of tactical voting choice to be made.
It's quite disagreeable, to be sure. It's frustrating that people have to figure out whether it's tactically better to vote their conscience or hold their noses and vote for who they think can beat the party they hate most.

I support Quebecois independence. My family has actively worked for a free Quebec for many years. I guess that makes me bloc quebecois even though I dislike a lot of their politics.
So you are eligible to vote in Quebec, then?

Is Harper still as awesome as he was 3 years ago?

Spoiler October 2008 :
Of course he is. He was never awesome before, and he's even more not-awesome now.

As an American, can I just take a moment to have a friendly laugh at your country for not having regular elections?
Certainly! We frequently laugh at ourselves for our ridiculous politics. But at least it doesn't take us a whole year and numerous court challenges to figure out who won.

Your last GG made a bad error in allowing Harper to shut parliament down before a vote of confidence was taken.
This I can fully agree with. Mme Jean did us no favors with that.

We have our flaws, but at least we know when our elections are going to take place.
But isn't that boring? It takes all the spontaneity out of politics! :p
 
Which shows how much you know about the Westminster system, they are fixed term unless the government loses a vote of confidence then the GG has th e option of new elections or asking the opposition to form a government.

Otago, the Canadian parliament has never gone the full five years without being dissolved. So I think it's safe to say that Canadians have no idea when the next election will be held.

Certainly! We frequently laugh at ourselves for our ridiculous politics. But at least it doesn't take us a whole year and numerous court challenges to figure out who won.

That happened once. Canadian elections are always ridiculous :p
 
Otago, the Canadian parliament has never gone the full five years without being dissolved. So I think it's safe to say that Canadians have no idea when the next election will be held.

We also don't spend 3 years campaigning before the actual election either.
 
I hate strategic voting, but I would definitely vote for the party that is mostly likely to defeat the Tories in my riding, if not for the fact that the Tories have no chance whatsoever of winning my riding anyway. They even come in fourth from time to time.

That said, I'll be voting Green.
 
Otago, the Canadian parliament has never gone the full five years without being dissolved. So I think it's safe to say that Canadians have no idea when the next election will be held.

That's a bug, not a feature. If Canada learned how to do coalitions or minority governments properly they'd have longer parliamentary terms. 5 years is way too long anyway.

Plus with non-fixed terms, you get all the fun of betting on election dates.

I'd prefer 3, we have 4 years, which in practice is somewhere between 3 and 3.5. we only rarely have early elections, and they're generally an attempt to get a mandate on an issue or gain a Senate majority with a double-dissolution (all senators up for election instead of half).
 
Knowing what I do about Canada, I'm willing to bet they're sometimes crypto-socialist paternalistic agrarian protectionists.

On the plus side, they've abandoned the fight against gay marriage.
 
Otago, the Canadian parliament has never gone the full five years without being dissolved. So I think it's safe to say that Canadians have no idea when the next election will be held.

And despite this, they still manage to have a larger voter turnout. :D
 
what is so bad about the conservatives anyway?

I could live with a Conservative government, but Stephen Harper has to go.

He a manipulative idealogue working to turn this country back to the dark ages.

On the plus side, they've abandoned the fight against gay marriage.

Au contraire, they know that fighting it would damage their poll numbers so they're keep schtum on it for now. If they can change the political climate on that issue, they will bring it back up.
 
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