[Religion and Revolution]: Further Native Nations

Schmiddie said:

I think this cannot be avoided.

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I don't think it is a big problem though.

Just a thought:
What about giving colours to the Natives according for their "nation" or "cultural Group"?
For example having south-american tribes in different tones of blue or the Comanche/Shoshone-Nation (perhaps even the Aztecs included) in different tones of, let's say, brown...?

Willi_Tell said:

What about giving colours to the Natives according for their "nation" or "cultural Group"?

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Sounds interesting.
However, I wonder if that would bite itself with the flags then.

Since Schmiddie is the "master of graphics" in our mod,
he should decide what he wants to do with the colours.

Willi_Tell said:

Just a thought:
What about giving colours to the Natives according for their "nation" or "cultural Group"?
For example having south-american tribes in different tones of blue or the Comanche/Shoshone-Nation (perhaps even the Aztecs included) in different tones of, let's say, brown...?

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Hm...

a lot ot native nations already have similar colours (shades of green for caribbean, brown/yellow for great plains, red/orange for south america, shades of blue for north america...)

So I already tried to consider regions and cultural groups.

And...yes, I would be a lot of work to change all colours again...This may be no. 1050 on our list...

Schmiddie said:

Hm...
So I already tried to consider regions and cultural groups.

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...then never mind
I should have seen the "cultural thing" is already in, but I am modding too much and playing too less...

Willi_Tell said:

...but I am modding too much and playing too less...

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Probably the same for all of us.

Hi guys,

I've gone through the thread and noted the suggestions for new native nations, and based on appropriateness of leaderhead, available biographical information, geographical placement and people's preferences here is what I have come up with.

NORTH



Could be used for the Crow tribe with Running Eagle as their leader. Background would have to be changed to reflect more of a plains appearance, and the color of the clothes would have to be changed to more earthy tones.



Could be used for the Blackfoot/Niitsítapi with Pine leaf as their leader. No changes would be needed.



Possible alternative candidate for the Blackfoot/Niitsítapi or the Cree with several leaders to choose from. However, with either tribe the background would have to be changed to reflect a plains environment, the checkered clothing would need to be replaced with a earthy tone garment with possibly some beading (optional) and the hair would need to be longer.

CENTRAL



Could be used for Guaymi with Urraca as their leader. Few changes if any would be needed.



Could be used for Tarascans with Erindira as their leader. Few changes if any would be needed.


SOUTH



Could be used for Cambeba/Omagua with Aomagua as their leader. Moustache would need to go and the color of the clothing would need to be a color other than pink!


The male alternative for the Blackfoot or Cree leader could be used for the Mapuche with Lautaro as their leader. Would need less of a graphics overhaul, just change the color and pattern of the clothing, perhaps change background a little.

So there it is. I could go with several suggestions that people have put forward, but I would like to get more of a consensus before I weigh in with what I think is most appropriate/accurate.

I totally agree! Perfect!

I would give my vote for the male Blackfoot or Cree leader for the Mapuche with Lautaro as their leader.

A change of the background and the clothes would be no problem.

I'm all for Guaymi/Urraca and Tarascans/Erendira for Central and Cambeba/Aomagua and Mapuche/Lautaro for South, those were exactly my civ/LH choices too


One question for north though:
Colonialfan, didn't we want to use Pine Leaf for the Crow (not for the Blackfoot), with SaibotLieh's second LH art for it?

EDIT: After a quick check, I guess you switched the names accidentally
So it's Running Eagle for the Blackfoot on the first pic, and Pine Leaf for the Crow on the second pic if I'm right
If this is the case, I absolutely agree with all 6 choices

AbsintheRed said:

I'm all for Guaymi/Urraca and Tarascans/Erendira for Central and Cambeba/Aomagua and Mapuche/Lautaro for South, those were exactly my civ/LH choices too

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Exactly. I did not see any need to alter those choices, as the leaders you had proposed were great options.

AbsintheRed said:

One question for north though:
Colonialfan, didn't we want to use Pine Leaf for the Crow (not for the Blackfoot), with SaibotLieh's second LH art for it?

EDIT: After a quick check, I guess you switched the names accidentally
So it's Running Eagle for the Blackfoot on the first pic, and Pine Leaf for the Crow on the second pic if I'm right
If this is the case, I absolutely agree with all 6 choices

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Whoops. In my haste to post I got them the wrong way round. You are right, the first picture should be Running Eagle for the Blackfoot and the second picture Pine Leaf for the Crow. Good catch.

So ok, that is what we will do ?
(Would sound good to me. )

NORTH

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Crow: Running Eagle
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Blackfoot: Pine leaf
(No changes needed)

CENTRAL

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Guaymi:Urraca
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Tarascans: Erindira
(No changes needed)

SOUTH

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Cambeba/Omagua: Aomagua
(Remoce Moustache, changes to colours of clothes)

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Mapuche: Lautaro
(Changes to Clothing. Background changed.)

Cambeba/Omagua

Is there anyway you can beef up his arms a bit? I don't know if someone the size of Gandhis stature would have become chief of a Native tribe.

I'll start working on the Biographical info next week for the new native nations. I want to finish off the New Sweden Bio data first.

raystuttgart said:

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Crow: Running Eagle
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We should change the color of her clothing too. Earthy tones would be fine.

Ok guys, I suggest, we now concentrate on adding the last 6 New Native Nations.
(It is the last open major topic for Release 1.3.)

@ team:

I have uploaded the graphics of our 6 new native nations into the transfer folder.

You can have a look if you want to...

It was hard work to find and build new/idle and working gaphics. So - this is the final result and hopefully I will not need to change something...

I think after this we should not discuss the implementation of further nations. With this 6 nations we have reached a very good result.

Schmiddie said:

I think after this we should not discuss the implementation of further nations. With this 6 nations we have reached a very good result.

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Fully agree.

These will be the final ones for this mod:

• Crow
• Blackfoot
• Guaymi
• Tarascans
• Cambeba
• Mapuche

Schmiddie said:

I think after this we should not discuss the implementation of further nations. With this 6 nations we have reached a very good result.

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Absolutely
It looks more than great:

North (12): Iroquois, Hurons, Apache, Navajo, Sioux, Cherokee, Comanche, Shoshone/Ute, Inuit, Algonquian, Crow/Apsáalooke, Blackfoot/Niitsítapi
Central + Caribbean (6+2): Aztec, Maya, Zapotec, Mixtec, Guaymi, Tarascans/Purépecha + Arawak, Carib
South (10): Inca, Tupi, Mapuche, Tehuelche, Shuar/Jivaro, Guarani, Muisca/Chibcha, Omagua/Cambeba, Machiparo, Toromona

However, I wouldn't say certainly no more civs if I were you
What if a perfect LH candidate shows up/is made (in a couple months) for Cree or Seminole for example?
There are still a couple civs (actually only a few left ) worthy to be included

AbsintheRed said:

However, I wouldn't say certainly no more civs if I were you

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It really is enough with the 6 we will do now.

@colonialfan:

Would be great if you could start collecting the bios and data needed.
(Leaders, Cities, Great Warriors, ...)

Once I have that, I will implement the 6 new Native Nations.

I think about making one new city set which could be used for two or three of the existing and/or new native nations.

I will use these huts:


What do you think?

For which nations could we use them?

For me they look like huts for a tribe of north east america...