TSG2 After Action Report

leif erikson · Oct 6, 2010

Hi everyone and welcome to the TSG2 After Action Report thread. In this thread you can post the results of your game. Please state victory date and score (preferably in the post title), as recorded in the Hall of Fame, and the most important: your path to glory! This post will be updated with the results at the end of the two week period (sorted by date and score). Players are encouraged to provide feedback on the game. Some players like to replay the game, and although we will not record the results from a replay, you can still post your new experiences (please state if the game is a replay). The game will not be closed as such, but after two weeks, the results will be compiled, and will not necessarily be updated with reports coming in afterwards.

AlanH · Oct 6, 2010

Please attach a final save to your post. Save the game after victory is declared by selecting the 'few more turns' option. The save will then be in:

My Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5\Saves\single\ on WinXP

... and in an equivalent location on Vista or Win7.

You are also welcome to attach your .Civ5Replay file for the game, found in:

My Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5\Replays or equivalent.

S.K. Ren · Oct 7, 2010

This was a fun ride. Had a few close calls due to impatience/bad luck but by Turn 200 I had this game in the bag. At the end I was cranking out 1800+ :science:

/Turn and that was sub optimal. ~~I'll be adding in screenies shortly or tomorrow, whichever.~~ My screen shots got borked. There are bits of the image missing especially the fish resource graphic and the legs of a lot of troops so no screenies.

Full Write Up

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TLDR Version

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Tips,Tricks,Bugs and Exploits

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hendo · Oct 7, 2010

S.K. Ren said:
Rationalism, Ho! (Whoever gets this reference gets a cookie)

Kiljoy from Zinwrath/Illegal Danish? (just a guess, might be totally wrong

)

Nice looking strat by the way

I'll be trying this GotM later.

modfanger · Oct 7, 2010

Well it was not as easy as the first one.

Part 1:

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Part 2:

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Part 3:

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evil persia, hope we wont see again in the next time!

edit: btw im trying the science next we here :>

hankinsohl · Oct 7, 2010

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Thrallia · Oct 7, 2010

So my plan came to fruition in 1902AD(I was ONE SPACE away from finishing in 1900AD), as my space ship took off.

After 500AD, I spent the next 600 years conquering my continent, first taking out Monty, then Napoleon. I puppeted every city I took, ending up with a whopping 26 cities, only 4 of which were annexed. Unfortunately, I still had unhappiness of 23 after all was said and done. My science was perfectly fine, roughly 300 points per turn, as was my economy, roughly 100 gold per turn, but I had no population growth and no industry thanks to the massive unhappiness. Luckily, I managed to research Astronomy while conquering Napoleon and sent two of my Longswordsmen overseas searching for life. I also took advantage of my economy and started buying happiness buildings to attempt to recover some, but I didn't become happy again until I bought the Liberty social policy for +1 happy per capital attached city and traded with Arabia and Persia for Gold, Silver, and Wine.

At that point, everything exploded. Every city in my civilization began producing buildings and population like mad. For the next 500 years I built up my economy, culture, infrastructure, and science. I found out that trading posts are bugged- the policy that is supposed to give them +2 science only gives them +1 science. I found out that the amount of money you generate from mass trading posts, large cities, and having everything connected to your capital outweighs by far the cost of buildings.

I also found out that while a puppet cannot build a wonder, it CAN build a project...I had to annex Hastings when I realized it had started construction on the Apollo Project sometime in the 1800s.

At the end of the game, my empire was producing 1800 science, 400 gold, and 300 culture every turn. I was allied with every city state that had survived, and every single one of my cities, puppet and annex, was over 12 population, with plenty of room to grow, as some historian popped up in 1890 and said that I had 8.35 extra food per city still, on average.

Only Persia and I remained in this world, aside from the various city states of the world, only 12 of whom remained, since Persia conquered 4 of them.

Thrallia · Oct 7, 2010

Rationalism, Ho! (Whoever gets this reference gets a cookie)

seems that it is a reference to Recettear to me.

S.K. Ren · Oct 7, 2010

And Thrallia wins a cookie!

Thrallia · Oct 7, 2010

ironically enough, I reviewed that game just a week before I helped review Civilization V for my website

Xger · Oct 8, 2010

Overall I think this went pretty well, though I definitely could have done better.

If you read my story in the game in progress thread the remainder is:

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Things I learned:

Being aware of what is needed for the goal is important. I wasted about 20 turns on techs that I did not need for a space victory.
For a space victory, getting two to four good production cities is a good idea. I fell short here, as my best production city was barely getting 75 hammers with a space ship factory.
The AI can be absolutely awful with city workers. When a size 6 cities has 2 librarians, a marker worker and bank worker and two tiles being worked while building much needed happiness buildings under the "production focus", there is something wrong
I <3 Burial Tombs

Rudianos · Oct 8, 2010

This wasn't as easy as the first TSG but my plan worked and it went pretty well.

Early game:

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Middle game:

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Late game:

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metalmadt · Oct 8, 2010

I was really glad to finnish this one today, especially as Ramses as I fly to Egypt in about 6 hours.

I guess it was well as i'm not use with science victory so far. I had mostly play cultural or domination with only 3-4 citys

So, here's the story.

I settle one tile south cause I feel it was closer from ressources and mostly, not on top of the mountain. As Ramsess was a great engineer, he start building Stonehenge and then the piramid right on time. I was a little nervous when I saw the great library already construct somewhere as AI usually build the pyramid before but I still got it. For now, I was focusing on specialist and population to keep growing.

Then, we beeline to acoustic as I want to get to Renaissance as fast as possible. I kept 5 social policy waiting so I can full rationalist (but the 2 free technologies which I wait for latter).

I managed to stay out of trouble up to that era but my continent was aflamme. While switching my farms to trade post to grow a strong economy + rationalist, I had to buy a couple unit and start the war.

I join Gandhi on is war against England
Then, I join Montezuma on is war against Gandhi.

No surprise, Montezuma was a beast on top of these to little friend. But when they go down, Montezuma start rampaging on... city-state.

At that point, I wish I would have gonne for a diplomatics victory. My economy was one of the strongest in the world, plus I have so many people to liberate, that would have been really easy. But we kept on going for spaceship.

I start war against Montezuma to get benefit from liberating city-state. He was way ahead of me. Is military score was about 9 times mine. But... AI suck at strategy I guess cause I kep grudging territory. At that time, I had about 10 city, all out on trade post. No more specialist thou. I use money to build all scientific and economic building.

And game cause on...

Finally make peace with Montezuma when I didn't need the city-state anymore. To encourage him, I start a war with Napoleon who was really backward and block my trade route, settling on my road. Destroy some of is city and then... now that I had all technology require, made peace, give him most of my city and encourage him to go to war with Montezuma. I did that to have the happiness necessary for a GOlden age as it would help building space ship part.

Conclusion, I think you need way more city to get a better score and make sure you get rid of Montezuma fast. I waste a couple thousand on units I didn't want to buy (kept my millitary score around 200 all game, minimum necessary)

S.K. Ren · Oct 8, 2010

It seems the best way to build science cities is to Secularism and get Democracy. Then spam Cities only building Science buildings. 5 is the preferred size as once you get Research Lab you will have a total of 5 Scientist Specialist slots however that's very end game so instead plan for 4 which is the most preferred size for city spamming. And getting both The Forbidden Palace and Planned Economy allows you to spam them without mercy.

With secularism each city provides the following: 52 :science:

(4 Pop +2 Lib + 20 Specialists)x(1+.50 University +.50 Public School), -3 :commerce:

Maintenance (4 Pop -1 Lib -3 University +- Public School), 2 :mad:

from Specialists. That's a really efficient city. 20 of those is a grand total of 1040 :science:

, -60

and only 40 :mad:

. If they grow beyond 4 pop have them work TPs

vawrswpbfv · Oct 9, 2010

Start:
Settled in spot for the first city and settled by the river to the north for the second city. Tried to settle third city further north by the sheep and iron, but some enemy (English?) units were playing blocker and I missed my spot by one turn as India gobbled up prime land. Meanwhile, my capital was steamrolling through GL... unfortunately, I did not realize that the free tech had to be taken immediately, so I ended up failing to slingshot anything. In the end, I settled 4 cities closely together in a straight line up and down my peninsula, blocked by India to the north and Almaty to the west.

Midgame:
I was minding my business being unsure how to expand and tech, getting all the way up to knights, when Monty decided to attack city states all over the place. I liberated Almaty and Rio de Janeiro with two knights, but then one thing lead to another, and some sort of world war (or at least continent war) happened. Through a lot of stop and go warfare, a few knights and trebuchets got upgraded all the way through to cavalry and artillery, and I ended up with only me and England on the continent (and not enough happiness to push any further).

Endgame:
After building up and annexing my new cities for a long time, I tried to finish England off... only to have a bug where I could not declare war on England. So I (foolishly) tried to launch an overseas military adventure, only to lose whatever I sent to Persia (I did not send enough units at a time). Seeing that it was hopeless to attack Persia, I signed a peace treaty... only to find out that it was bugged and gave away all my luxuries (that Persia didn't already have) instead of only 1 of each source. After the unhappiness hit got taken care of, I beelined the spaceship techs and launched. I was worried that someone would attack me, but nothing of the sort happened.

BuddhaBubba · Oct 9, 2010

Well, I lost. To the French and Americans. F'ing Napoleon. Was doing quite well up till about 1700AD because I knocked out India with the help of Britain and then helped knockout Britain and Monte with Napoleon's help. It was quite frustrating to put all this work into allying with city-states (I really like the bonuses) only to see not one, but two of the civs (monte and napoleon) get into a perm. war with them for their agression.

Anyway, I think my huge mistake was still thinking of having a small empire because I like to keep my happiness high and I like to build buildings much more than military units. I can see how two difficulty levels makes a huge difference in how the AI can field a humongous army.

Also noticed the trading post bug, total bummer there.

Oh yeah, what's really sad was that I was ahead in tech but was still squashed just due to numbers (i.e. I had artillery, cavalry, and infrantry and napoleon had mostly riflemen and cannon).

Now that I've put in 56 hours of playtime (thank you Steam time-tracker!) I think I'm ready to write a short-review of Civ 5. I think I'm not as impressed as I was when Civ 4 was released, but that might have more to do with the new performance requirements, maybe I'll be happier when I get the new desktop I need.

Anyway, good gotm, maybe next time Prince level?

elijahtary · Oct 9, 2010

Well I also lost. I was doing great to begin with...

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Maybe next time I'll wait until after Turn 60 to DOW ><

Jacksup · Oct 9, 2010

Hall of Fame score: 3235

My first space race win! My plan from the beginning was to wrest control of my continent, fill it out while teching up and beelining the space ship parts techs.

My strategy going into the game was to horseman rush the AI. This strategy is just too powerful, and there wasn't really anything the AI could do to stop it. I settled my second city at the southern tip of the little peninsula to get the four horse resource, and teched straight to horseback riding. Rushed Ghandi with the first two and after I had four I proceeded to clear out the continent in a counter-clockwise manner. I razed all of the cities except for the capitals of course, which I puppeted and trade post spammed. Finished off Monty and claimed the continent for myself on turn 101. Meanwhile I chose tradition and discipline as my first two policys and then saved up because I wasn't 100% sure which direction I wanted to go at the time.

The next step wasn't terribly exciting; I started rexxing and beelined astronomy to meet the other civs. I started a gp farm and managed to save up five great scientists to slingshot rocketry. Given all the city states everywhere I decided to go with the patronage route, and eventually I chose the first few on the path to communism in the order tree, but these didn't really arrive early enough to have an effect. I built Chichen Itza and the Taj, and these combined with the great people I received resulted in me being in a golden age for almost the whole game.

After burning my scientists, I researched rocketry in 1600 and finished my space ship of turn 303 (1866). In hindsight, I took a little to long to set up my production cities, and I didn't really optimize my empire for science or anything, so a space victory can probably be achieved much earlier, but I'm feeling pretty good considering its my first attempt at this type of victory.

P.S. w00t first post!

leif erikson · Oct 9, 2010

Welcome to CivFanatics GOTM.

Congrats on your first spaceship win! :thumbsup:

akots · Oct 10, 2010

It took a long time to conquer the continent mostly because I procrastinated with a single city building wonders. The wars started around turn 150 and continued to about turn 280. I had 5 or six infantries and a couple of cannons which battled warriors, spearmen, catapults, and occasional musketmen. Monty did not build a single mounted unit even though he had a few horses. Then, I was curious as to how many puppets is possible to annex and eventually, by the end of the game I think I annexed most of them having some surplus happiness at about +20. I really did not micromanage and did not optimize city placement, did not raze a single city and did not build my own. Which is obviously not very optimal way to play this game. It is certainly possible to finish much earlier, probably in 1700 or even 1600AD.

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