Unique Units elimination thread

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 18
Jaguar 19
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 25
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
War Chariot 9
Longbowman 25
Ship of the Line 22
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 13
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 16
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 24
Sea Beggar 21
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 21
Legion 22
Ballista 20
Cossack 18
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Tercio 20
Conquistador 22
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Dromon 20

Ship of the Line still gets my up-vote for being a ocean going beast.

Took away from the Turtle Ship. I know Korea is a turtle civ and this UU fits that strategy, but I have had too many play throughs where I just sigh to myself, 'wish I had a caravel'. Exploring the seas with scouts or other melee units (which is safer now with the embarkation promotion, I have to admit) is annoying.

God of Kings said:

you should add the faith bonus for Pictish Warriors (they earn faith every time they defeat an enemy (50% of the enemy's strength is converted to faith)).

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Peng Qi said:

They can also fortify and get defensive bonuses in rough terrain, unlike other cavalry, but they lose all of their bonuses when they promote (Dromons do too).

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Added. I think every units lose thier defensive bonuses when promoting.

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 18
Jaguar 19
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 25
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
War Chariot 9
Longbowman 25
Ship of the Line 22
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 21
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 13
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 16
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 24
Sea Beggar 22
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 21
Legion 22
Ballista 20
Cossack 18
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Tercio 20
Conquistador 22
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Dromon 18


Down to Dromon. I'm not doing much with navy at this point in my games. I'm usually worried about fending off AI attacks over land, not sea, in the early game. I've rarely said to myself, "if only I had more Triremes this game would have went differently". Cool looking attack, but lack of usability dooms it.

The Sea Beggar on the other hand...once the ocean is in play, I need ships. Ships that can take over other ships to use as canon fodder ? Good! Ships that can attack cities ? Yes! With two promotions for city attacks ? Very good! And it can heal in foreign waters ? Sign me up! Love the sea beggar.

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 18
Jaguar 19
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 25
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
War Chariot 9
Longbowman 25
Ship of the Line 22
Mehal Sefari 20
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 19
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 14
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 16
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 24
Sea Beggar 22
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 21
Legion 22
Ballista 20
Cossack 18
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Tercio 20
Conquistador 22
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Dromon 18

To be fair, I never play with Germany (doesn't suit my style, don't like the colours, find everything boring), but it means that I find this extremely unattractive as a special unit.

Slingers? Love them. One of my fave units for one of my fave civs. I love stationing them as a border patrol and harass attackers as they press towards the capital. I have had great success using this harrying strategy, with the attackers melee-ers just pushing me back into more cover.

Tabarnak said:

Thanks a lot

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No problem

Minutemen 21
B17 20
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 18
Jaguar 19
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 25
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
War Chariot 9
Longbowman 25
Ship of the Line 22
Mehal Sefari 18 (-2)
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 19
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 22
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 14
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 16
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 24
Sea Beggar 23 (+1)
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 21
Legion 22
Ballista 20
Cossack 18
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Tercio 20
Conquistador 22
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Dromon 18

Can't believe in my last vote I left out the main point of my entire argument for upvoting Sea Beggars, which whyidie pointed out: the Sea Beggar is a Privateer replacement. You don't need to build any naval units (other than Work Boats) as the Dutch until Navigation because the Beggar will convert any ship it captures, AND it keeps Prize Ships after it upgrades. Amassing a sizable fleet and attaining naval superiority is so easy for the Netherlands.

I gave the Safari my down vote this time. I usually try for a culture win as Ethiopia, and therefore I rarely build them. The 20% bonus from the UA is usually enough to hold off any attackers, and if the Safari's not near Addis Ababa, it's pretty much just another unit with Drill I... which my units usually all have by this point anyway. I don't know, it just seems a bit meh to me.

Minutemen 21
B17 18 (-2)
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 18
Jaguar 19
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 25
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
War Chariot 9
Longbowman 25
Ship of the Line 22
Mehal Sefari 18
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 19
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 23 (+1)
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 14
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 16
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 24
Sea Beggar 23
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 21
Legion 22
Ballista 20
Cossack 18
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Tercio 20
Conquistador 22
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Dromon 18

B17 - bombers are OP anyway, so B17 isn't big difference.
HA - quick logistic and swarm = conquest of world.

Finally added a final ranking in the OP(almost forgot ). Zero and Maori Warrior are dead. Does the War Chariot will be next? Or maybe the Slinger?

Minutemen 21
B17 18
Camel Archer 21
Hussar 18
Jaguar 19
Bowmen 20
African Forest Elephant 20
Quinquereme 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 26 (+1)
Berserker 20
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
War Chariot 9
Longbowman 25
Ship of the Line 22
Mehal Sefari 18
Musketeer 20
Foreign Legion 20
Landsknecht 19
Panzer 18
Hoplite 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Horse Archer 23
Battering Ram 21
Slinger 14
War Elephant 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Samurai 18
Turtle Ship 14 (-2)
Hwach'a 19
Atlatist 21
Keshik 24
Sea Beggar 23
Janissary 22
Sipahi 20
Immortal 21
Legion 22
Ballista 20
Cossack 18
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Tercio 20
Conquistador 22
Hakkapeliitta 18
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Dromon 18

The Cho Ko Nu is a crossbowman which can attack two times. That not only means two attacks, but also 2x the experience every turn. A Cho Ko Nu can become a two shot 3 range medieval artillery twice as fast as a Longbowman.

The Turtle Ship is just silly. Research Astronomy and not get the Astronomy effect of exploring oceans for your new ship. Maybe if it was available earlier (like at Optics) it might be a nice UU.

I was having trouble finding units, so I have alphabetized the list:

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 21
Carolean 22
Cataphract 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 20
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 23
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 14
Tercio 20
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 9
War Elephant 21

I feel like many people haven't tried out the War Chariot/Turtle Ships post Gods and Kings. Turtle Ships appear early enough and easily enough to be the Battering Rams of their era. The no sea restriction is a drawback to prevent them from being too powerful atm. They are still pretty OP though - War Chariots are super fast mobile composite archers that are cheap to build. Obviously it will depend on the terrain - but if its flat (on multi) and sp it has become a much better unit.

I suggest to try them out again!

ReAfrican Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 21
Carolean 22
Cataphract 19 (-2) - Since it doesn't keep its ability to fortify upon upgrade added with its reduced movement and the weak synergy with the civ itself - my vote goes against the Cataphract. Its still weird thinking of it as a horseman replacement
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 20
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 23
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 14
Tercio 20
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 10 (+1)
War Elephant 21

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 21
Carolean 22
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 20
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18 (-2)
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 23
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 14
Tercio 21 (+1)
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 10
War Elephant 21

Tercio: Given the fact that tercio's can now be upgraded from longswords they are far more important. The extra 50% combat bonus against cav makes them a stronger pike, and the only other melee unit stronger in its era is the Musketeer.

Hoplite: Far too early for a unit with such little reward. If they had some sort of bonus promotion, all their was a way to quickly get some out then maybey I would consider using them more often.

truenarnian said:

Slingers? Love them. One of my fave units for one of my fave civs. I love stationing them as a border patrol and harass attackers as they press towards the capital. I have had great success using this harrying strategy, with the attackers melee-ers just pushing me back into more cover.

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While Inca are my favorite Civ, I've yet to see how the slinger is really all that much better than the regular archer. The retreat ability? I'm pretty sure that's just a legend.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 21
Carolean 22
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 20
Hakkapeliitta 16 (-2)
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24 (+1)
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 14
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 10
War Elephant 21

Hakkapelitta: Suffer from being Lancers and, unlike the Sipahi, their bonuses just aren't all that good.

Sea Beggars: Renaissance era Borg Cubes.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 21
Carolean 22
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 21 (+1)
Hakkapeliitta 16
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 12 (-2)
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 10
War Elephant 21

Foreign Legion: who doesn't want a bonus for attacking in enemy territory?
SLinger: I like to play with the incas, but your early ranged units should never be in position to be meleed anyway so this ability is rather pointless.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 22
Carolean 23
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 21
Hakkapeliitta 16
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 21
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 12
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 10
War Elephant 21

the camel Archer is like the Keshik except they have higher damage, but lose some movement. even with it's decreased movement it's still pretty good.

The Norwegian Ski Infantry is to situational. Unless you are fighting on tundra they are just like riflemen, and i never found it useful except in a few cases.

My vote for the carolean wasn't counted.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 18
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 19 -2
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 21
Carolean 22
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 21
Hakkapeliitta 16
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 22 +1
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 18
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 12
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 10
War Elephant 21

Mohawk Warrior: Nice versatile unit for two reasons. Bonus in jungle and forests mean you can use to defend the forest heavy lands of the Iroquois, and offensively by building a ton and rushing someone without the iron requirement.

Battering Ram: Knocking this down because of how overpowered the ram + horse archer combo is. It wouldn't bother me so much if horse archers required horses, or if the battering ram couldn't take cities, but any unit that can take a city single handedly in two hits is counter productive to the great city defense system that fire-axis made. Can't attack other units? No problem. Without the need for horses, just make 5 horse archers and easily take out any units that get near it. They also don't count as actual horses, so spear-men that should be effective, are just like normal melee units now. 300% city attack bonus is nuts, and the extra ranged bonus just solidifies it as being too powerful. The AI can't use it properly, but in multiplayer, spawning next to the huns means good game.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 19 (+1)
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 19
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 22
Carolean 23
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 21
Hakkapeliitta 16
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 19
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 22
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 12
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 8 (-2)
War Elephant 21

I hardly even build War Chariots. Too early, doesn't synergize with Egypt's playstyle, and loses its bonuses upon upgrade. Meh all around.

B17's, on the other hand, make America worth playing. They're awesome, especially because you can build them and upgrade them even after unlocking Stealth.

(The post above mine has incorrect numbers; my numbers on the other hand are accurate.)

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 19
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 19
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 22
Carolean 23
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 21
Hakkapeliitta 16
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 21
Jaguar 20
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 22
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 12
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 6
War Elephant 21

War Chariot: Okay on flat maps, but even then it is not markedly better than the chariot archer that it replaces.

Jaguar: +33% forest/jungle bonus, double movement through forest/jungle, and the crown of them all, +25 HP per kill. That +25 allows much more aggressive attacking, as your units will need less turns to heal, and you can get away with putting them into more dangerous positions because units that would normally be down to ~50 will now be at a much less vulnerable 75.

Once I get swordsman, I keep building them as jaguar's and upgrading them Builds significantly quicker and gets great promotions. Well worth the gold.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 21
B17 19
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 19
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 22
Carolean 23
Cataphract 19
Chu-Ko-Nu 26
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 22
Cossack 18
Dromon 18
Foreign Legion 21
Hakkapeliitta 16
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 23
Hussar 18
Hwach'a 19
Immortal 20
Jaguar 20
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Landsknecht 19
Legion 22
Longbowman 25
Mandekalu Cavalry 16
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 22
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pictish Warrior 21
Quinquereme 18
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 24
Sipahi 20
Ship of the Line 22
Slinger 13
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 14
War Chariot 6
War Elephant 21

+: Slinger. I understand the reasoning someone gave in rebuttal to why I like them, but they work for MY playing style really well. Small military of slingers stationed at outer perimeter of mountains absorbing and falling back when attacked, harrying all the way.

-: Immortal. I hate the Persians (to play as and to play against), and the Immortal has never inspired me.

truenarnian said:

+: Slinger. I understand the reasoning someone gave in rebuttal to why I like them, but they work for MY playing style really well. Small military of slingers stationed at outer perimeter of mountains absorbing and falling back when attacked, harrying all the way.

-: Immortal. I hate the Persians (to play as and to play against), and the Immortal has never inspired me.

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Haha, I was just disagreeing because the "falling back" never seems to work.