History Article: Macedonia and Tzar samuil.

This discussion is endless and pointless. You can't convince someone who feels Macedonian that he is not. National identity is not question of academic studies and scientific arguments. You can find many prooves that the claims of the modern Macedonian historiagraphy are false, but even the most academic and well- argumentated studies won't make a macedonian nationalist feel less macedonian.

Generally i think that the current position of Fyrom(or Macedonia call it as you like) is not benefitial to them. They are not cooperating with neither of the neighbour states. Their stiff and somewhat agressive posstion on issues like history, affect negativley their diplomatic relations and foreign politics. Providing that they have rather serious internal problems(the albanians, i don't call them minoruty becasue they are not quite minor) this isolation is not good for Macedonia. This puts them further away from joining the European union which i think is they way for their prosperity. They can't afford to stay isolated.
As for the government policies of Greek and Bulgaria towards Macedonia, i think they are somehow different. Greece refuses to recognize FYROM as Macedonia, while Bulgaria was one of the first state to do so. Generally the Bulgarian position to Macedonia is rather friendly and more and more macedonians start to benefit form it. More than 50 000 macedonians(this number can varry of course) have Bulgarian citizenship, which grands them access to the European labor market.
 
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That is false. The name macedonia was used for greek macedonians only. Also it was the name of the region and not a nation.

Ethnic Map by Greek produced in 1918

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hellenism_in_the_Near_East_1918.jpg

This Greek map shows large areas of the what became the Greek provinces of Macedonia were occupied by Macedonian Slavs, other areas by Turks. Are you claiming that Macedonian Slavs are Macedonian Greeks. Why were they not described just as Greeks like the Greeks in Turkey or Bulgaria?


1 )Most slavs stoped at macedonia and didnt go to south greece.

2) The macedonians arent wiped out. They still exist. They are the people who live in (greek) macedonia.

So if the Macedonians were not wiped out where did they go before the invasion of Macedonia by Greece in 1913.

Have any genetic studies been done to show

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Macedonians (RofM) DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Macedonia

-what percentage of Modern Macedonian (RofM) DNA came from ancient Macedonia



There was a small minority of 2.000 or 3.000 slavs that had greek identity. Those who had bulgarian identity moved to bulgaria.

If Macedonian Slavs were only 3000 people how come they covered such a large area in 1916. If there was only 3000 people why would Greece produce a basic school book for teaching their language, which is the same as used in the Republic of Macedonia. If there was only 3000 people, why was the language so dangerous that it was banned.
 
Have any genetic studies been done to show

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Macedonians (RofM) DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Macedonia

-what percentage of Modern Macedonian (RofM) DNA came from ancient Macedonia

Correct me if i am wrong, but this DNA studies sucks. Do you know how little is the difference between the human and the ape DNA for example, leave aside between people form the same race...
 
There have been studies into marker genes that show links between peoples.

For example there are studies showing a link between Jewish peoples from widely different countries.
 
The fyrom people are not identified as a seperate cultural group but as a branch of bulgarians.

The same could be said about Kosovars being Albanian. Palestinians have the same issue. Nationality isn't a rigid concept where the same number of nations have always existed and will continue to exist. Macedonians are not Bulgarian because of cultural differences and by virtue of being in a separate country. As for calling themselves Macedonians, they live in a region that comprised a part of historic Macedonia. The name seems logical to me. I'm not sure what else the area could realistically be called.
 
So if the Macedonians were not wiped out where did they go before the invasion of Macedonia by Greece in 1913.

Have any genetic studies been done to show

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Macedonians (RofM) DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Macedonia

-what percentage of Modern Macedonian (RofM) DNA came from ancient Macedonia

Proof that fyrom is bulgarian:

“call these songs Bulgarian and not Slavic, because if someone today should ask the Macedonian Slav "what are you?" he would be immediately be told: "I am Bulgarian" and would call his language "Bulgarian".
*Stefan Verkovich, Bosnian folklorist, "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarian", Vol. 1

Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they “belong to the same Slav people.”

The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians.
* Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press,(December 1995), p.64

We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity.
*Gyordan Veselinov, Macedonia's Ambassador to Canada

24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM’s Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."

There is no doubt that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian, and which has certain quite distinctive features of its own......In regard to their own national feelings, all that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many more Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skopje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted.
*Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, Its Place in Balkan Power Politics"

..and Uskub, the great majority of the population is Slavic,[...] the middle ages until 1913 called themselves and were called by their neighbors Bulgarians.
*George Hubbard Blakeslee, "The Journal of International Relations"

We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves.
Krste Misirkov, "On Macedonian Matters", Macedonian Review Editions 1974,(Sofia 1903)

But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced: they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language".
*Kuzman Shapkarev, in a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888

also:

30 Bulgarian academics, including 3 academics from Fyrom, sent a report to UNESCO asking from the international organisation to stop the television channels in Fyrom broadcasting and abusing the Bulgarian language, the history and the culture of Bulgaria.
This report was sent to the Director General of UNESCO, Irina Bokova, stating the truths concerning the Bulgarian language, which the TV in Fyrom proclaims as 'Macedonian'.
"For the past 65 years they spread lies to all the world stating that a distinct 'Macedonian' language, Macedonian history and Macedonian history exists". Vardarska, an are which is now part of Fyrom, was always a geographical single term used in respect with Bulgarian civilization and Bulgarian History.


The Bulgarian academics support the view that in Fyrom historical monuments, military tombs, churches and many other artifacts are destroyed, especially the ones related to Bulgaria. In their report they state that Fyrom stole their popular music, their celebrations, the Bulgarian kings, heroes, wars and their revolutionaries and they baptized them by giving them the epithet 'Macedonian'. They underlined that in the last census, there was a separate column on the Bulgarian citizens. But hundreds have been arrested and have been terrorized to stop claiming and advertising their Bulgarian descent.
It seems that Fyrom wishes to import into its own culture all the cultures, traditions, history and beliefs of its neighbours. Greece is not the only problem Fyrom has, it seems Bulgaria has 'joined the club'..who knows which other nation will follow.

And last but not least:

Phylogenetic аחԁ correspondence analyses ѕһοwеԁ tһаt Bulgarians аrе more closely related tο FYROMians,tһаח tο οtһеr European populations аחԁ Middle Eastern people living near tһе Mediterranean. Tһе HLA-A,-B,-DRB1 allele аחԁ haplotype diversity defined bу high-resolution DNA methods confirm tһаt tһе Bulgarian population іѕ characterized bу features οf southern slavic anthropological type wіtһ ѕοmе influence οf additional ethnic groups. Bulgarian DNA Project FAQ аbουt DNA testing аחԁ genealogy bу genetics Group Administrator: Evgueni Delev numis18@hotmail.fr Family Tree DNA – Genealogy bу Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 HELLAS GREECE MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MAKEDONIA MACEDOINE MAKEDONIJA BULGARIA DNA FYROM SKOPJE VARDARSKA SKOPJE.
 
The same could be said about Kosovars being Albanian. Palestinians have the same issue. Nationality isn't a rigid concept where the same number of nations have always existed and will continue to exist. Macedonians are not Bulgarian because of cultural differences and by virtue of being in a separate country. As for calling themselves Macedonians, they live in a region that comprised a part of historic Macedonia. The name seems logical to me. I'm not sure what else the area could realistically be called.

The question can be viewed in two prespective - one is historical and the other is political(by this i mean the situiation in current time).

Historically the Macedonian nation start to form around 1940-50(roughly). Culturaly, religously, ethnically and by language there was no difference between Bulgara and Macedonia(not bigger than from example the difference between the people who live in Thrace and those in Dobrudja). In many ways there isn't differnce even now.

However this is not a reason to refuse to recognize the Macedonian nation today. This people have decided to recognize themself as Macedonians and this is enough. The problems come from their attitude towards history and neighbours.

So historically the macedonian nation did not existed. Those people were mainly Bulgarian(the slav part of them) and such was there self- reckognition. Sometimes they were called Macedonians, but this is because the region they live in(as people who live in Thrace are called Thracians(not to be mistaken with the ancient Thrace).

Now Macedonian nation exists. Those people don't see themselves as part of Bulgaria anymore. And this is their righ, you can force anyone to change his self- reckognition.
 
I agree. If they didnt had claims on Alexander the great and ancient greek macedonia i wouldnt have any problem with them.
 
Proof that fyrom is bulgarian:

“call these songs Bulgarian and not Slavic, because if someone today should ask the Macedonian Slav "what are you?" he would be immediately be told: "I am Bulgarian" and would call his language "Bulgarian".
*Stefan Verkovich, Bosnian folklorist, "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarian", Vol. 1

Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they “belong to the same Slav people.”

The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians.
* Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press,(December 1995), p.64

We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity.
*Gyordan Veselinov, Macedonia's Ambassador to Canada

24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM’s Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."

There is no doubt that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian, and which has certain quite distinctive features of its own......In regard to their own national feelings, all that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many more Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skopje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted.
*Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, Its Place in Balkan Power Politics"

..and Uskub, the great majority of the population is Slavic,[...] the middle ages until 1913 called themselves and were called by their neighbors Bulgarians.
*George Hubbard Blakeslee, "The Journal of International Relations"

We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves.
Krste Misirkov, "On Macedonian Matters", Macedonian Review Editions 1974,(Sofia 1903)

But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced: they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language".
*Kuzman Shapkarev, in a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888

also:

30 Bulgarian academics, including 3 academics from Fyrom, sent a report to UNESCO asking from the international organisation to stop the television channels in Fyrom broadcasting and abusing the Bulgarian language, the history and the culture of Bulgaria.
This report was sent to the Director General of UNESCO, Irina Bokova, stating the truths concerning the Bulgarian language, which the TV in Fyrom proclaims as 'Macedonian'.
"For the past 65 years they spread lies to all the world stating that a distinct 'Macedonian' language, Macedonian history and Macedonian history exists". Vardarska, an are which is now part of Fyrom, was always a geographical single term used in respect with Bulgarian civilization and Bulgarian History.


The Bulgarian academics support the view that in Fyrom historical monuments, military tombs, churches and many other artifacts are destroyed, especially the ones related to Bulgaria. In their report they state that Fyrom stole their popular music, their celebrations, the Bulgarian kings, heroes, wars and their revolutionaries and they baptized them by giving them the epithet 'Macedonian'. They underlined that in the last census, there was a separate column on the Bulgarian citizens. But hundreds have been arrested and have been terrorized to stop claiming and advertising their Bulgarian descent.
It seems that Fyrom wishes to import into its own culture all the cultures, traditions, history and beliefs of its neighbours. Greece is not the only problem Fyrom has, it seems Bulgaria has 'joined the club'..who knows which other nation will follow.

And last but not least:

Phylogenetic аחԁ correspondence analyses ѕһοwеԁ tһаt Bulgarians аrе more closely related tο FYROMians,tһаח tο οtһеr European populations аחԁ Middle Eastern people living near tһе Mediterranean. Tһе HLA-A,-B,-DRB1 allele аחԁ haplotype diversity defined bу high-resolution DNA methods confirm tһаt tһе Bulgarian population іѕ characterized bу features οf southern slavic anthropological type wіtһ ѕοmе influence οf additional ethnic groups. Bulgarian DNA Project FAQ аbουt DNA testing аחԁ genealogy bу genetics Group Administrator: Evgueni Delev numis18@hotmail.fr Family Tree DNA – Genealogy bу Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 HELLAS GREECE MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MAKEDONIA MACEDOINE MAKEDONIJA BULGARIA DNA FYROM SKOPJE VARDARSKA SKOPJE.

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So if the Macedonians were not wiped out where did they go before the invasion of Macedonia by Greece in 1913.

Have any genetic studies been done to show

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Macedonians (RofM) DNA came from ancient Greece

-what percentage of Modern Greek DNA came from ancient Macedonia

-what percentage of Modern Macedonian (RofM) DNA came from ancient Macedonia.

I cannot see here what happened to the Macedonians before 1913.:):)

Or was it a double post:confused::confused::confused:from Oct 01, 2011, 01:17 PM



Proof that fyrom is bulgarian:

“call these songs Bulgarian and not Slavic, because if someone today should ask the Macedonian Slav "what are you?" he would be immediately be told: "I am Bulgarian" and would call his language "Bulgarian".
*Stefan Verkovich, Bosnian folklorist, "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarian", Vol. 1

Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they “belong to the same Slav people.”

The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians.
* Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press,(December 1995), p.64

We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity.
*Gyordan Veselinov, Macedonia's Ambassador to Canada

24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM’s Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."

There is no doubt that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian, and which has certain quite distinctive features of its own......In regard to their own national feelings, all that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many more Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skopje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted.
*Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, Its Place in Balkan Power Politics"

..and Uskub, the great majority of the population is Slavic,[...] the middle ages until 1913 called themselves and were called by their neighbors Bulgarians.
*George Hubbard Blakeslee, "The Journal of International Relations"

We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves.
Krste Misirkov, "On Macedonian Matters", Macedonian Review Editions 1974,(Sofia 1903)

But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced: they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language".
*Kuzman Shapkarev, in a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888

also:

30 Bulgarian academics, including 3 academics from Fyrom, sent a report to UNESCO asking from the international organisation to stop the television channels in Fyrom broadcasting and abusing the Bulgarian language, the history and the culture of Bulgaria.
This report was sent to the Director General of UNESCO, Irina Bokova, stating the truths concerning the Bulgarian language, which the TV in Fyrom proclaims as 'Macedonian'.
"For the past 65 years they spread lies to all the world stating that a distinct 'Macedonian' language, Macedonian history and Macedonian history exists". Vardarska, an are which is now part of Fyrom, was always a geographical single term used in respect with Bulgarian civilization and Bulgarian History.


The Bulgarian academics support the view that in Fyrom historical monuments, military tombs, churches and many other artifacts are destroyed, especially the ones related to Bulgaria. In their report they state that Fyrom stole their popular music, their celebrations, the Bulgarian kings, heroes, wars and their revolutionaries and they baptized them by giving them the epithet 'Macedonian'. They underlined that in the last census, there was a separate column on the Bulgarian citizens. But hundreds have been arrested and have been terrorized to stop claiming and advertising their Bulgarian descent.
It seems that Fyrom wishes to import into its own culture all the cultures, traditions, history and beliefs of its neighbours. Greece is not the only problem Fyrom has, it seems Bulgaria has 'joined the club'..who knows which other nation will follow.

And last but not least:

Phylogenetic аחԁ correspondence analyses ѕһοwеԁ tһаt Bulgarians аrе more closely related tο FYROMians,tһаח tο οtһеr European populations аחԁ Middle Eastern people living near tһе Mediterranean. Tһе HLA-A,-B,-DRB1 allele аחԁ haplotype diversity defined bу high-resolution DNA methods confirm tһаt tһе Bulgarian population іѕ characterized bу features οf southern slavic anthropological type wіtһ ѕοmе influence οf additional ethnic groups. Bulgarian DNA Project FAQ аbουt DNA testing аחԁ genealogy bу genetics Group Administrator: Evgueni Delev numis18@hotmail.fr Family Tree DNA – Genealogy bу Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 HELLAS GREECE MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MAKEDONIA MACEDOINE MAKEDONIJA BULGARIA DNA FYROM SKOPJE VARDARSKA SKOPJE.
 
The question can be viewed in two prespective - one is historical and the other is political(by this i mean the situiation in current time).

Historically the Macedonian nation start to form around 1940-50(roughly). Culturaly, religously, ethnically and by language there was no difference between Bulgara and Macedonia(not bigger than from example the difference between the people who live in Thrace and those in Dobrudja). In many ways there isn't differnce even now.

However this is not a reason to refuse to recognize the Macedonian nation today. This people have decided to recognize themself as Macedonians and this is enough. The problems come from their attitude towards history and neighbours.

So historically the macedonian nation did not existed. Those people were mainly Bulgarian(the slav part of them) and such was there self- reckognition. Sometimes they were called Macedonians, but this is because the region they live in(as people who live in Thrace are called Thracians(not to be mistaken with the ancient Thrace).

Now Macedonian nation exists. Those people don't see themselves as part of Bulgaria anymore. And this is their righ, you can force anyone to change his self- reckognition.

That's about right.

In realiy the fyromians have an ancient history. Its a shame that they steal greek history.

I don't think it's possible to "steal" history. Or, if it is, things have been stolen so many times that it's accepted practice. How many successors to the Roman Empire have there been? How many times have Babylonian or Assyrian Kings tried to borrow from the legacy of either Sargon or the Sumerians? What gives someone a right to a history? Ethnic heritage? That seems horribly provincial and it's often not clear whether some group actually are direct descendants or not - especially in the Balkans, which has had so many migrations.
 
that Macedonia's 700,000 man levy is hopelessly overmatched by the Greek Army.

my view was that back in the 1990s it was as real as it was and the Macedonia levy would not be answered by 3 or 4 million Greek levy as the number was spesifically chosen to represent a Turkish alliance .
 
The Turkic peoples making up most of the population of modern Greece also steal Greek history.

I like very much the turks but we greeks have nothing to do with them.
 
I can't tell any difference between Ouzo and Raki.
 
Byzantine Empire had a strong Greek influence. Then Ottomans occupied Greece for about 400 years. There were also a large number of Greeks in Constantinople, Smyrna etc in turkey.

It would be very surprising if there was no interbreeding etc.
 
Let's go all Fallmerayer on them! Wohoo!
 
Turks and greeks are all ottoman brothers.

Joking. Although the fyromains say that the greeks are Orthodox Turks and some greeks say that the turks are muslim greeks,in reality greeks are greeks and turks are turks.
 
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