"Interesting Deity Start" Series

consentient · Jan 11, 2015

Oh yeah, I've broken through the GW many times. But it's much more of a PITA than it should be for its hammer cost. As protection against DomV invasion, it becomes one of the 3 most powerful wonders along with Pyramids (for pillage-heal) and Prora.

Fluphen Azine · Jan 12, 2015

Turns 261-300

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Turns 301-376 Game Completed!

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consentient · Jan 12, 2015

That looks horrible. I hate Fractal Maps 90% of the time.

Fluphen Azine · Feb 9, 2015

2nd write up since I deleted the 1st one by mistake!

I am pretty sure I realize now the problem with this style for me. It feels like I have less control in the game and sort of like being in the passenger seat instead of driving. I guess I am a control freak and I feel less in control with this style and it is driving me close to rage quitting which is a feeling I usually can keep in check. I did manage to turn things around a bit. I got Education on turn 106 but I am having a gold problem to be able to buy the University now. I should of planned that out better having the correct amount of gold to buy it as I finished Education. I am growing my capital now and it hurts trying to build anything and am opting to finish the NE instead of trying for a 15 turn university in hopes that I soon can rush buy it.

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The salt save has the map packs disabled but the other two maps have all map packs and all DLC.

kb27787 · Feb 9, 2015

Well, FA, since you are playing the sun god map I will also play it when I have time and we can compare empires... :goodjob:

Fluphen Azine · Feb 9, 2015

@ kb27787

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Turn 145

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Up to turn 180

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I seem to not be able to play the "good guy" in this game or in RL I suppose lol!

kb27787 · Feb 9, 2015

well Fluphen (originally I said you may DoW to liberate) but the heart of the "challenge" was to be a good guy and build your own empire, not conquer other people's wonders :lol:

; but sure if they DoW you I guess you may take whatever you want.

Be warned, although denouncement flavor is quite high for all of them, DoW flavor is low for all the civs in this map.

Sistine is not such a big loss (if you get Louvre or Uffizi) and Taj Mahal is just a crappy wonder. The heart of the matter is to outtech them and then build the later wonders! With your UA you really don't need much to become influential.

Now as for your capitol location selection... (didn't I warn you about the marble trap? That city has nothing going for it and only one lux in the 3 rings) I settled somewhere else and I will give you the rationale why I chose over there later.

Fluphen Azine · Feb 9, 2015

Turn 183

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kb27787 · Feb 9, 2015

I knew you were going to do that (btw didn't want to make it too hard or too frustrating for you... otherwise I would've also added that you must make peace once the AI asks for it) in the end the CV was not so "peaceful" :goodjob:

but that's you.

I just wanted to let you realize playing peaceful and beating them at wonders fairly is not exactly a walk in the park as you claimed it to be, that's all :goodjob:

(you aren't beating them to wonders with that capitol size at that turn number anyway)

Now try not to get embargoed and to pass anything in the WC once you've become public enemy #1... (Btw you have ZERO tourism at t180+? what the heck...)

Fluphen Azine · Feb 9, 2015

Up to Turn 206

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kb27787 · Feb 9, 2015

Fluphen Azine said:
Up to Turn 206

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As I said before I was wrong about that and you were right about playing Peaceful and trying to out build the AI. I mean I was really wrong lol! However that is human and mostly my play style. It is very hard to copy someone as I am finding out.

I knew I wasn't going to be able to win a CV with Peace so I did not worry about tourism since I figure after taking out Civs will give me wonders and Tourism. However it is not so easy to War it up when you have to force the AI to DOW you and you can't bribe anyone to help dwindle down Armies. I have no production in the capital and really Egypt was building some nice Wonders very fast I think Eiffel went on like 157 or something! Also I can't get to Archeology since I need to get to things like Flight and Anti Aircraft lol!

Siam vulched Egypt and sorta helped me but took down a city that I wanted to take so I could sell it so Ideology Choice was just awful. I wanted Freedom for FL but it would take too long. Most of the World went Order so I don't want to get to friendly and only Siam went with Autocracy and they are kinda my only friend so I joined them but the happy pressure is starting to hurt! At least I got one tenet which I chose Industrial Espionage since I am behind in tech and I just really like how it works!

Well, I'll let you replay and reload as many times you want :goodjob:

I think reloads and replays help a lot when learning (I had to practice with reloading a lot too when playing a warmup game for domination on immortal; I didn't really understand how worker baiting works! (hey I put a worker there but they still shot at my units, what gives? lol)

Delayed internet, and autocracy... you better hope Siam wipes everyone out then you can get the +66% bonus from being at war with a common foe...
Otherwise I think someone will eventually launch before your CV comes... (and unhappiness is terrible for a civ that relies on golden ages, although I've heard that autocracy is full of happy... I've never gone autocracy myself even once in my civ career)

Although it is VERY rare for Eiffel to be gone t157 (in that case you have a massive tech runaway... my condolences... those are the toughest to deal with; I wasn't sadistic enough to put Korea in there but it seems Egypt is like Korea this game!); from what I see he teched the top part of the tree (having archaeologists) so for him to have radio too is almost as if he was playing like a human player! With only 3 cities... I can't really understand where his tech is coming from either! You can replay and hope the next try he won't be such a monster.

but even STILL, you could've still won peacefully you know? You will have hermitage + museumx3 + oxford at the very least (and Louvre, because Egypt will VERY rarely open exploration; they are not a seafaring civ); with your UA (which turns GAs into basically GMs which work on everyone and then doubles the strength of your REAL GMs); Brazil's strength is the ability to win with minimal wonders. You WILL need better growth next time though... (and with map knowledge, I am curious where you will choose to settle if you have to do it over again... will you pick a strong spot or will the lure of marble be too tempting?)
Although I think as it is, even if you were to break your mantra and start allowing DoW on your next playthrough, it is very hard to win by pure conquest. The peaceful civs have a lot of defensive flavors and their cities often have huge combat strength very fast.

Fluphen Azine · Feb 9, 2015

Thoughts on the Map and my Plan

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I was trying to play peaceful from the get go but when Egypt started to really runaway with the game I knew it was over for that idea and the only way a CV could come with no bribes and DOWs is to have them DOW me and for me to clear the Map. However it is still a tough task fighting 1 AI at a time and hoping to win in the end without being able to Bribe or DOW. I am not joking when I say PT went off and Taj Mahal right after and next Uffuzi in one Expo and Eiffel in the next Expo. Egypt built 4 different Wonders in 3 different cities inside of 15 turns!! I also think he got to Radio first and backtracked to Archeology but not 100% sure how they did it.

I also had a huge struggle for a lot of turns where I had to avoid growth because it was tough to get enough happy to continue to grow.

I dunno I mean like you say my capital isn't set up for peaceful play. I would of had to roam around and I think looking at the land I would of had a 25% chance to move in the right direction. I don't mind losing but I hate to reload the game over and over and even one reload is too much for me since I do not enjoy knowing the map layout in advance. Reloads is the only exploit I will not convert into my games unless something like a crash or I am so messed up on something that I am clicking too fast. Sometimes you amaze me with your roaming if you do not reload because at times it has to be a perfect move. I moved on the Ethiopia DCL since I could see Rome on the 1st or 2nd turn but it can be a high risk move if you do not have great surrounding land which this map was not the easiest of lay ups for Peaceful CV but I will try to stomp out this map and win CV through war by way of DOW from the AI and no bribes and no DOWing with Capture in mind.

After this map I'll try the next one and see if the land and neighbors are an easier set up. I don't know if you see it but Egypt has like 4 Archaeologists in the rear and I've captured 2 as well hoping to use later on if possible. Of course those 4 are gone since I wiped Egypt clean off the map but plan on bringing him back to life later perhaps. Most likely my plan next is to get Siam to DOW me and capture all of his cities and hopefully move West and take every city I see hoping to clear Civs off the map making it easier for me not to have to worry about an AI SV. Perhaps I can get a two front war with the East as well leaving it down to one or two AI cities and poof CV in the end!

Oh FYI ... Egypt had GWBs up for 3 turns bombing my Artillery and Rifles so I didn't want to try to steal the Archeologists before capture and lose more units.

kb27787 · Feb 9, 2015

Fluphen Azine said:
Thoughts on the Map and my Plan

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I was trying to play peaceful from the get go but when Egypt started to really runaway with the game I knew it was over for that idea and the only way a CV could come with no bribes and DOWs is to have them DOW me and for me to clear the Map. However it is still a tough task fighting 1 AI at a time and hoping to win in the end without being able to Bribe or DOW. I am not joking when I say PT went off and Taj Mahal right after and next Uffuzi in one Expo and Eiffel in the next Expo. Egypt built 4 different Wonders in 3 different cities inside of 15 turns!! I also think he got to Radio first and backtracked to Archeology but not 100% sure how they did it.

I also had a huge struggle for a lot of turns where I had to avoid growth because it was tough to get enough happy to continue to grow.

I dunno I mean like you say my capital isn't set up for peaceful play. I would of had to roam around and I think looking at the land I would of had a 25% chance to move in the right direction. I don't mind losing but I hate to reload the game over and over and even one reload is too much for me since I do not enjoy knowing the map layout in advance. Reloads is the only exploit I will not convert into my games unless something like a crash or I am so messed up on something that I am clicking too fast. Sometimes you amaze me with your roaming if you do not reload because at times it has to be a perfect move. I moved on the Ethiopia DCL since I could see Rome on the 1st or 2nd turn but it can be a high risk move if you do not have great surrounding land which this map was not the easiest of lay ups for Peaceful CV but I will try to stomp out this map and win CV through war by way of DOW from the AI and no bribes and no DOWing with Capture in mind.

After this map I'll try the next one and see if the land and neighbors are an easier set up. I don't know if you see it but Egypt has like 4 Archaeologists in the rear and I've captured 2 as well hoping to use later on if possible. Of course those 4 are gone since I wiped Egypt clean off the map but plan on bringing him back to life later perhaps. Most likely my plan next is to get Siam to DOW me and capture all of his cities and hopefully move West and take every city I see hoping to clear Civs off the map making it easier for me not to have to worry about an AI SV. Perhaps I can get a two front war with the East as well leaving it down to one or two AI cities and poof CV in the end!

Oh FYI ... Egypt had GWBs up for 3 turns bombing my Artillery and Rifles so I didn't want to try to steal the Archeologists before capture and lose more units.

nah... if I reload I'd probably settle on t3 or so with perfect moves! :lol:

(chances are I settle on t5 or 6... sometimes more (on this map t7-8 or so can't remember) with settler radar it's not too risky (you will note that I pick VERY different spots than some players on the same map to settle, and that I often spend several turns more; however if you know exactly what you are looking for (say, here we are looking for citrus/bananas for sun god tiles and it's apparent the cluster is west) it helps you make the right decisions on where you should go looking (here going west was the obvious choice to me, despite losing river, but an empty river is as bad as it gets) and btw it's not really 25%, it's 50%; your settler and warrior can head off different directions, and when possible, you pick the direction where you think you will have farther line of sight. (here going either west or south would've been both correct but it has to be west because of the luxes in plain sight)

Settling late also has its advantages: it prevents the deity AI from walking into your 4th ring and settling right in your face!

But I would disagree on reloading; sure, in GotM or in serious competitions there are no reloads, but in learning something new it's better to reload and learn from what mistake you made just now (I'm not talking about reloads so your spy can coup successfully every time of course, I'm talking about, say, you were lost on which ideology to pick... you save the game, play one game with one and then reload and play the game with the other; you compare the strengths and weaknesses and then ascertain which choice was the best one for that particular circumstance; you then know what to do if a similar situation comes up in another game). Or hmmm which policy tree is better for warmongering? (in the end I decided that with my playstyle, tradition is still the best) :lol:

(btw the AIs are the same in all the maps; but the land is much different in the next one; if you don't like wandering with your settler, the next one is probably best for you)

Fluphen Azine · Feb 9, 2015

Siam DOWs Turn 227!

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stormtrooper412 · Feb 19, 2015

I kicked off with the Roman map while I think of a better one for myself. I rolled a few times but I didn't really like my starting position even though I very much liked how others were placed. If I can just roll a few more times I think I'll have it. It's kind of historically themed and I wanted to include a feature I'm pretty sure nobody uses, might still do it

Screenie attached and I have a save saved if anyone fancies this position. I think I'll take out George and stop warmongering and see how I fare from there, his cap and another city will make it 6, more than enough for the Liberty start to kind of pay off. Win or lose, yeah this is definitely a good map, at first I was kind of frustrated I'll have to fight but since Haile didn't put up much of a resistance, and I think I only lost 1 or 2 CBs because I only attacked with a few anyway. I now have a coupld Balis and a GG ready to roll, couldn't afford to wait for Legions

As you can see, kind of unhappy and strapped for cash at the moment but that will be fixed soon enough, I don't need to grow right now anyway

Fluphen Azine · Feb 19, 2015

Oh ya! Your playing this one the right way! I went into this game with a certain plan and didn't let go of that plan till around turn 90. It ended up costing me the game but that is ok because I don't want to be 100 wins and 0 losses since that would make me delete the game from my computer lol!

I think this series has more difficult land and maps and if you can keep with that theme when you post up IDS 8 it would be much appreciated!

Oh... what did USA and Ethiopia go in your game? They both went Liberty in mine and I was surrounded in a hurry lol!

You can always post up your turn 80/81 save on the turn 81 DCL/IDS thread and I/others can take a walk around your empire!

stormtrooper412 · Feb 19, 2015

Yeah I was starting to get boxed in as well at which point I said sod it and took the fight to Haile, who went Liberty/Patronage, George went full Honor and Pacal went full Piety. He has the Wall so it might be tricky to deal with him but I suppose a big enough swarm of CBs will break him down.

Something I forgot to write up:

cap build order: scout scout monument shrine granary archers until free settler, 3rd settler, CBs. Once I had enough CBs I made a quick Library and then rolled 3 Balis

expos: monument archer library granary

tech: pottery mining archery AH (got horses now), BW (for iron) Calendar (sniped the Lake Vic location which had wine lying around), beeline for CBs (had them before turn 60)

SP: not much to say, left hand Liberty, then right hand Liberty.

Gameplan is Culture Autocracy, I always wanted to try it out.

I also started out the Brazil salt variant but not sure if I'll continue. Screenie for bragging purposes, it's a new personal record

a pair from both Gandhi and Theo, one from Kame and one from a CS. It took them all forever to arrive though so my NC is delayed by a fair bit.

Fluphen Azine · Feb 19, 2015

No problem... and thanks for the stats! Do you want me to add pages for you to the stats site? It is no problem and since you are giving me more stats than most players I think it will look good if your into that sort of thing!

The Brazil Maps were more for me to try some kb27787 style games and are really not part of the numbered thread. However, if a player does choose to complete one of those maps and post up results I will count them toward the leaderboards and statistic pages! I guess I will list them as the kb27787 series and post them as 1,2,3.

stormtrooper412 · Feb 19, 2015

Sure why not

What I meant was, I have work early in the morning and when I come home I need coffee, dinner, that sort of thing and there simply aren't enough hours in the day :lol:

stormtrooper412 · Feb 22, 2015

Aright, here's my contribution to the series, if I may, I'll call it the IDS 8 already so, here goes

IDS #8 - Ottomans, Deity, Standard, Pangaea

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As you can probably guess, this is a bit of a "rewriting history" theme, even though one would assume I of all people should be glad history happened as it did. However, a certain event that happened in late 17th century was so epic that I keep reading all about it over and over trying to find out new facts (I can't!).

The grand prize is obviously waiting for you yonder, but I kind of made an effort to give a good enough start both in food and in production. One of the previous rolls had the Civs lined up almost perfectly for my taste but the starting location simply couldn't offer much production to be any good.

Aright, try to have fun with it, I handpicked pretty much every setting, oh and there's one tiny bit I checked which you will likely notice fairly soon

If anything doesn't work, make sure to notify me, I think it's the fairly standard "all DLCs but not the map packs" thing

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