Hall of Fame Rules/FAQ

superslug said:
Even if railing/work needs to be done elsewhere, I usually keep a fortified stack of workers beside/near core production cities, especially in 20k's. They typically get used for pollution cleanup, but every once in a while I need to dump one in due to one turn starvation.

The reason I mention this is because such a stack can get around your stated problem. At the end of a turn I sometimes irrigate a few target tiles, reducing the shield production and adding a turn to prebuild. I then remine those tiles the next turn.
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Im sorry superslug but that doesnt really solve his dilemna...
I know what he means because I have been in this situation.
Hes talking about when you might or might not need to change a prebuild depending on what free techs you get on age change.
(Re read his example, youll understand).
Then your strategy does not work. and I would like to know if changing tiles if strictly penalizing yourself for something like that would be possible.

EDIT : I now read the rest of the thread, and totally understand your reasoning for still prohibiting this, but most of the ideas you mentionned are not pertinent to the specific case (luxury slider, workers etc...)
 
Having reread the last page or so I've realized that various posters have been talking about two different things. One was changing the tiles laborers work, the other was pulling laborers off tiles. Just so we're all on the same page, here's the relevant errata and rulings from the existing regs:

During the interturn:
You can change a build from one item to another (i.e. Palace to U.N.).
You can pull citizens off of tiles and make them entertainers, but entertainers only, no other specialists.
You cannot pull citizens off of tiles and put them on other tiles, regardless of commerce/production variation.

As you can see there's already an interturn solution present in the current rules. My apologies for not being clearer on this earlier.
 
superslug said:
You can pull citizens off of tiles and make them entertainers.
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That bit works for me! There is no need to reassign the workers to other tiles. The pre-build can be delayed simply by making entertainers, should the event that fission is not an available free tech during the inter-turn occur. :)
 
superslug said:
During the interturn:
You can change a build from one item to another (i.e. Palace to U.N.).
You can pull citizens off of tiles and make them entertainers.
You cannot pull citizens off of tiles and put them on other tiles, regardless of commerce/production variation.
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I think the following needs to be added to the list:
You cannot pull citizens off of tiles and make them a specialist other than entertainer.

Or does this not make any difference anyway?
 
Taxmen and scientists would make no difference, extra shields from policemen and civil engineers would get added
 
The exemption exists largely for riot prevention, so let's keep it simple and say Entertainers only.
 
Making entertainers double-counts happiness. If you're using them to prevent riots you probably won't be challenging the milkers' scores, but there is potential for abuse in happy cities.

Taxmen and scientists are 100% safe.
 
DaveMcW said:
Making entertainers double-counts happiness. If you're using them to prevent riots you probably won't be challenging the milkers' scores, but there is potential for abuse in happy cities.

Taxmen and scientists are 100% safe.
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Don't Specialists count for 1 point of happiness each? :confused:
 
If the city was content to begin with, it was at least averaging one point/citizen. Any less, and the city revolts due to unhappiness. Changing to all specialists could only hurt the score, as long as the city was not revolting. At least I think so. I don't ever think about score.
 
DaveMcW said:
Making entertainers double-counts happiness. If you're using them to prevent riots you probably won't be challenging the milkers' scores, but there is potential for abuse in happy cities.

Taxmen and scientists are 100% safe.
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You've got a point, I'll add taxmen and scientists. I'll also stipulate this can only be done for riot prevention and prebuild stalling. If I catch anyone doing otherwise... :scan:
 
Example: 6 Happy People + 6 Unhappy in a city. You change an unhappy person to a Taxman interturn. Now you have 6 Happy People + 5 Unhappy + 1 Taxman..............haven't you increased your happiness score by 1 point? :)
 
EMan said:
Example: 6 Happy People + 6 Unhappy in a city. You change an unhappy person to a Taxman interturn. Now you have 6 Happy People + 5 Unhappy + 1 Taxman..............haven't you increased your happiness score by 1 point? :)
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Yes, you have increased your happiness by one point in that city. That city obviously wasn't about to riot, though, so you've done one of two things:
1) Preserved a prebuild from completing that turn, or
2) Just broken the HOF rules.

During this time, you may also pull citizens off of tiles, but you may not rearrange them. Any citizens pulled off tiles may be made Scientists and Taxmen, or Entertainers (if needed). This may only be done to prevent rioting (luxury deal ends suddenly, etc) or to prevent a prebuild from completing early.
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Why not just outlaw the whole thing? No "breaking into the build sequence to change laborers or specialists assignment"!
 
Moonsinger said:
Why not just outlaw the whole thing?
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Is there a reason I should change the rules?

According to the shortrushing area in the green section, there are some things you can do during the interturn. According to the build sequence area of the red section, there are some things you can't do during the interturn. All I've done is try and clarify my interpretation of how the two intersect.

I don't honestly feel like I've changed the rules here, so I'd need a good reason to do so.
 
We've completed a change to the database today. All 2050 wins are now listed as Histographic only, meaning they're no longer on the fastest finish tables. This clarifies a discrepancy and means that no games are recognized for multiple victory conditions.
 
Great! I was going to suggest that but figured it wouldn't be worth the effort.
 
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