UU&UB or UU&UU elimination thread

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Same rules as the other elimination threads, +1 to boost a UU&UB (UU&UU)combo you like, -2 to hurt a combo you don't like. Give reasons why! Without them your vote doesn't count and may be flagged for spam!
UU&UB or UU&UU Combos:
America: B17, Minuteman
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse
Japan: Samurai, Zero
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai
Rome: Ballista, Legion
Russia: Cossack, Krepost
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean
 
should i start the UA/UU , UA/UB thread? don't want anyone beating me to it

by the way, if this is meant seriously you should give each choice points to start off so people know from which number to subtract or add to
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 20
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 20
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 20
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 20
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 20
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 20
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 20
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 20
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

I suppose 20 is standard, so I'll start it out there.

Mongolia: While I don't really play Mongolia, taking their UUs into consideration only, there is remarkable synergy between the two and they make a lethal combination that is hard not to admire.
Egypt: I never use early cavalry, especially chariots, and this UU is just something I don't care for. The UB is nice, but it gives an incentive to capture your cities over others because of the gold bonus.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 20
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 20
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 20
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 20
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 20
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 20
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

There are a few of these combinations that only work to its full potential when fused with their UA's (Mongolia, Polynesia, and Japan come to mind) so it's hard for me to separate them and I'm not sure I could vote for them and others without the UA bias in mind. Nevertheless, these threads are fun so I'll vote anyway

Greece: First vote is easy for me. Companion Cavalry and Hoplites are a lethal duo in early game domination. The CC helps produce GGs at a faster rate and I love that. The Hoplites are nothing more than an upgraded Spearman but in any case you have the strength to outclass other civs early on.

Germany: I have a strong favor for early units in the Ancient and Classical eras. I don't care much for later units and that alone is why I don't like the Panzer. I'll admit, the last time I played Germany the Panzer was pretty damn tough and I love the extra movement. I usually have something good to say about every single unit but I just don't like the Landsknecht at all.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 20
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 18
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 20
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 20
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 20
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 21
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20


argh, i guess i can't resist, even as redundant as this one may seem..


spain - conquistadors are surprisingly good, the extra vision is the main thing here, easily duplicated with an upgraded scout perhaps, but you're generally not going ot have scouts all over the battlefield, the vision is enormous anyhow, battlefield awareness means less losses, better preparation, other than that there's some nice flavour in using these units. it's a shame melee can't attack cities viably anymore, i remember back in vanilla you could have about 4 of these things and take out a city in a couple of turns, whereas now even with siege the tiny slice of damage they can do to a city is sooo minimal, even on a population 2 city.. oh well. nice to be able to use as settlers later on also.. if you can find any land to settle. tercios on the other hand are great units, i feel very solid on the battlefield with these, they tear apart mounted and are strong vs melee or

japan - samurai's kind of suck.. outdated fast, not very fun to use.. zeros are even worse, i never seem to bother with fighters in games, the ai rarely builds bombers.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 18
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 18
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 20
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 20
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 21
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Ethopia: The Stele is by far my favorite building in the game. This practically guarantees you will have the first Pantheon (second only to the Celts), which gives great versatility. Almost every city builds a monument at some point, so the +2 faith is just gravy. The Mehai Sefari is also very good on the defense, but it also works well when you're attacking neighbors close to your capital.
Korea: I really dislike these two UU. Exploring is a very big part of the early to mid game, and the Turtle Ship just limits your exploring needs. I guess it's good on defense, but I rarely waste the production on this. The H'wacha is nice for defense, like the other UU, but I always find it really fails on the offensive and I always would just rather wish I had a trebuchet. Good for defense, but sometimes, you have to be a little offensive and this doesn't really help.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 16
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 18
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 20
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 21
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

I hate Japan overall there UU's are useless.
the netherlands UU and UI are wonderful excellent navy and very good improvment that provides food gold and production.
 
Isn't this just a civ elimination thread without UA? Seriously?
 
Isn't this just a civ elimination thread without UA? Seriously?

Exactly what I was thinking...but then I couldn't resist. It's like an addiction, they don't call this 'Civ Fanatics' for nothing.

Also, in all fairness I'm sure some people didn't get a chance to participate in the older ones
 
Isn't this just a civ elimination thread without UA? Seriously?

To be fair, if you restrict your voting and reasons to specifically UU/UB and UU/UU, without taking into consideration the UA, it is rather different. Judge the synergy of the two uniques, for instance.
 
Cool... another elimination tread... I love it. And it's really a pity that I didn't know there was a civilization elimination tread.

America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 16
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 16
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 20
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

+Spain: Conquistadors are pioneers in colonization. Their extra sight, defensive embarkation and ability to settle cites and city attacking make conquistadors very versatile and powerful. It's extremely fun to use them to conquer other civilizations. Tercios appear in the exact time when you need more soldiers. +50% versus mounted is always useful because lancers are a main treat to ordinary musketmen and AI knights are sometimes annoying. Tercios are solid units and work well with conquistadors. Overall, Spain is a fun civ to play and Spanish game music is great.

-Korea: It has good UA, but UU really suck, especially Turtle Ship. I like exploring and finding new civ, city states or natural wonders by beelining to astronomy to build caravels. But TS can't enter ocean!? Ridiculous! Also Hwach'a is terrible because it's weaker against cities.
 
(wasn't goin to bother, but can't help myself ;))

America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 20
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 16
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 14 -2
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 21 +1
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Gotta love the Roman combo..get Iron and hello neighbours
Korea's, sorry just don't do it for me
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 18
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 16
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 14
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 20
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 21
Rome: Ballista, Legion 21
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Polynesia: No UU/ UB combo synergizes better. Earn a great general and throw up some forts and you can easily best opponents two era's ahead on the defensive. If the hakka could stack, it would be nearly broken.
Austria: the Hussar? I have tried both, and can safely say I would prefer cossacks in 95% of situations, as I could tap you with my weak guns and then smash you to bits with a cossack or two. With a hussar I have to either endager my weaker units, or slow my hussar to a crawl so my infantry can catch up and boost him. The cofee house is a weaker windmill that increases GP production in a stage of the game where there value has dropped signifigantly (right in the wonder dead zone and the cheap tech part)
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 18
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 14
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 14
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 21
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 21
Rome: Ballista, Legion 21
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Japan: This elimination is not so farfetched/redundant. Had I taken the UA into consideration I might not be voting for Japan. The Samurai's are filthy with the UA bonus. Without it they are still not bad but I look at the other UU combos and I don't see one I think is worse. Late-game Zeros, not my cup of tea.

Maya: So I just finished a victory with Maya last night and it's ridiculous how big of a jump you get at the beginning of the game. Atlatlist: I built one instead of a scout and I absolutely love the coziness of feeling protected earlier and at a cheaper cost. Pyramid: The true hero of the pair. You have no reason to not build this first in every city. Gives incentive to establish a religion early and unless you luck out you are certain to have yours up and running among the first since the Pyramid takes priority. The early science is simply unstoppable.
 
Polynesia: No UU/ UB combo synergizes better. Earn a great general and throw up some forts and you can easily best opponents two era's ahead on the defensive. If the hakka could stack, it would be nearly broken.

Are you sure you're voting properly? I agree, Polynesia is one of the best defensive civs in the game. But this is a UU/UB/UI elimination, not UA. With the UI moai you are getting culture, extra from chains, and gold once flight arrives. The 10% combat bonus you are alluding to only comes from the UA aspect.

The moari warrior synergizes amazingly well - one of the best in the game - with the moai but that's only when you take into account UA, which this thread does not.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 18
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 20
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 14
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 12
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 21
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 21
Rome: Ballista, Legion 22
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 20
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Rome: Rome's UU combo, given you have a bountiful, stable supply of iron, absolutely dominates their time period. The Legion is just cool, I love the flavor of being able to build roads and forts with them.

Korea: Both of Korea's UUs excel at what they do, but the trade offs are a liability. With most UUs, there is generally just enhancement of a unit. Not so with Korea; their siege unit is made ineffective against cities and their first ocean-going ship is restricted to coastlines. I do commend the uniqueness.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 18
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 21
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 13
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 12
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 21
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 22
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 21
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Babylon's UU and UB synergize perfectly with the civ's science focus: they give Babylon some great early game defense when everyone is at about the same level. Walls of Babylon are just nuts and the Bowman is just strong enough that you can wait up on making Composite Bowmen, allowing you to skip those techs and get to Education faster.

I don't really have a problem with the Samurai, but the Zero really has very little reason to exist.
 
Are you sure you're voting properly? I agree, Polynesia is one of the best defensive civs in the game. But this is a UU/UB/UI elimination, not UA. With the UI moai you are getting culture, extra from chains, and gold once flight arrives. The 10% combat bonus you are alluding to only comes from the UA aspect.

The moari warrior synergizes amazingly well - one of the best in the game - with the moai but that's only when you take into account UA, which this thread does not.

Ah, you are correct! I completely forgot! I change my upvote to cossack/ krepost. You can have a large an efficient and powerful nation with nice offensive and defensive capabilities. Could someone post this change in there next vote?
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 18
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 21
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 21
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 12
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 12
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 21
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 22
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 21
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

Changed your vote from Polynesia to Russia. And the Japanese only had one point taken off; it is a -2 for a downvote.
 
America: B17, Minuteman 20
Arabia: Camel Archer, Bazaar 20
Austria: Hussar, Coffee House 18
Aztecs: Jaguar, Floating Gardens 20
Babylon: Bowman, Walls of Babylon 21
Byzantium: Cataphract, Dromon 20
Carthage: African Forest Elephant, Quiquereme 20
Celts: Pictish Warrior, Ceilidh Hall 20
China: Chu-Ko-Nu, Paper Maker 20
Denmark: Berserker, Norwegian Ski Infantry 20
Egypt: War Chariot, Burial Tomb 18
England: Longbowman, Ship of the Line 20
Ethiopia: Mehal Sefari, Stele 21
France: Foreign Legion, Musketeer 20
Germany: Landsknecht, Panzer 18
Greece: Companion Cavalry, Hoplite 19
Huns: Horse Archer, Battering Ram 20
Inca: Slinger, Terrace Farm 20
India: War Elephant, Mughal Fort 20
Iroquois: Mohawk Warrior, Longhouse 20
Japan: Samurai, Zero 12
Korea: Turtle Ship, Hwach'a 12
Maya: Atlatlist, Pyramid 21
Mongolia: Keshik, Khan 21
Netherlands: Sea Beggar, Polder 21
Ottomans: Janissary, Sipahi 20
Persia: Immortal, Satrap's Court 20
Polynesia: Maori Warrior, Moai 20
Rome: Ballista, Legion 23
Russia: Cossack, Krepost 21
Siam: Naresuan’s Elephant, Wat 20
Songhai: Mandekalu Cavalry, Mud Pyramid Mosque 20
Spain: Tercio, Conquistador 22
Sweden: Hakkapeliitta, Carolean 20

I've played as Augustus once, and I've played as Alexander once.

With Rome, I ironically kicked Greece's rear end with my ballistas and legions. I was able to easily overtake the pathetic Greeks.

With Greece, I had almost no use for their units. The CC is a glorified spearmen. I almost got swallowed up by Mongolia and the Iroquois within the first 100 turns.

Both playthroughs were Prince difficulty. With Rome, I did start out protected by some mountains, whereas with Greece I started out on the left side of an open continent
 
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