Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
All culture wonders are listed here.
SO would know all the playable Civs and leaders since he has made them. That's his area of expertise.
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All culture wonders are listed here.
SO would know all the playable Civs and leaders since he has made them. That's his area of expertise.
thecougarbear
Chieftain
Sweet! I'll pour over these in the coming weeks and start to put leader names to the cultures. What is the target number of names that we would be looking for per culture?
RidetheSpiral23
C2C Map Team
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Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Ok, I'm going to let this discussion get back on topic here and start up a thread or two for further development on these plans later. Not to say we're not inviting further comments from others, particularly other members of the mod team. I'm wondering how you guys see all this stuff. But I'll give these projects their own due and let you guys working on the current, new traits, room to get back on task there.
Hopefully ill finish them this weekend.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
I want to fairly distribute the traits- traits such as aggressive have 23 leaders, scientific 1, for example, here is what i've got so far in terms of shifting leader traits around, more suggestions are very much welcome! Also if certain leaders' trait doesn't fit the the leader 'historically' speaking please let me know. We could probably use another scientific or two, and maybe another progressist for example. Deceiver could be still lacking too.
Spoiler :
I don't know if you're taking requests for personal preference, but I kind of like Dido the way she is. Humanitarian doesn't really do much for me and I like the faster leveling from Charismatic. And I always feel like I'm leaving something on the table if I don't take Agricultural, even if it's completely dwarfed by all the food available in the mod.
From her description she doesn't sound all that charismatic. The main reason I wanted to change her was simply to spread the traits out thats all. Too many charasmatic, not enough humanitarian. I guess I can not change her if you really want
Here it is SO.
Again sorry for the delay and that it is somewhat unfinished but RL kinda gets in the way sometimes
* just noticed seafaring combat1 promotion for the boats isn't working, think I missed a <FreePromotionUnitCombatType> in the code.
** It was just a simple missing line of code here is the fixed file, think its fixed anyway didn't check
Again sorry for the delay and that it is somewhat unfinished but RL kinda gets in the way sometimes
* just noticed seafaring combat1 promotion for the boats isn't working, think I missed a <FreePromotionUnitCombatType> in the code.
** It was just a simple missing line of code here is the fixed file, think its fixed anyway didn't check
LumenAngel
King
Historically... Not really. The old one was better
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I am not sure what topic this should go under but perhaps some of the traits should get +/- for Crime, Flammability, Pollution and Disease. Such as Protective could get a bonus to fighting Crime. We could even introduce new traits such as ...
Pro-Environment = -Pollution
Toxic = +Pollution
What do you guys think?
Pro-Environment = -Pollution
Toxic = +Pollution
What do you guys think?
SO asked me to post my pm's here:
1.
I've re-arranged all the leaders, balanced out the traits and changed a few things around.
I have not finished implementing a negative aspect into the original traits.
The TraitsPedia needs to be done which describes each trait in detail, outlying possible strategies etc.
The Property modifier I put into aggressive for +4 additional crime per pop when its at 10 already doesn't show in the civilopedia.
Im not sure how to go about doing pollution modifiers since I don't know properly how pollution, so I think you or hydro or whoever should implement this into Industrious + Organised I was thinking. More Crime for Nomad as a negative too perhaps.
Buildings modifiers, such as Hunter Gatherers slower granaries does not show in civilopedia.
I had a bunch of ideas that I wanted to implement for the original traits (in terms of negatives) but most of them don't work. Do you want to add some negatives for them?
I thought i'd hand it offer to you as is at this point since I might be slowing things down. Apologies, I don't have much free time as of late and this is my first go at modding
* Can't figure out how to attach file to pm so I attached it in the extra traits thread.
2.
Here is the page http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...&postcount=172
I put in a request for a bunch of TAG requests here
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...&postcount=155
These would make our life soooo much easier and would flesh out the trait system extensively, im not at all sure how hard it would be to include these in the schema etc but if this was done c2c traits would be up to scratch compared with the rest of the A+ game
3.
Not sure how people will feel about the total uneveness of traits tho man. We really need to implement more negatives into the original traits, I was reluctant to put in more property modifiers since I think its best done by someone who knows what they are doing.
4.
Sorry to bombard you with pm's
Another idea I had but didn't really want to risk due to my inexperience was -
You know how Nomad's get +1 food on scavenger huts or whatever it is, perhaps we could give some negatives this way, such as -1 hammer on iron/bronze etc for creative, or -1 commerce for scientific on diamond/ruby tiles etc.
Just need to come up with some more negatives for the other traits.
You could just implement a quickfix and just give out a bunch of -1 health -1 happy etc on the fly so its at least playable & somewhat fair - until they are finished properly.
1.
I've re-arranged all the leaders, balanced out the traits and changed a few things around.
I have not finished implementing a negative aspect into the original traits.
The TraitsPedia needs to be done which describes each trait in detail, outlying possible strategies etc.
The Property modifier I put into aggressive for +4 additional crime per pop when its at 10 already doesn't show in the civilopedia.
Im not sure how to go about doing pollution modifiers since I don't know properly how pollution, so I think you or hydro or whoever should implement this into Industrious + Organised I was thinking. More Crime for Nomad as a negative too perhaps.
Buildings modifiers, such as Hunter Gatherers slower granaries does not show in civilopedia.
I had a bunch of ideas that I wanted to implement for the original traits (in terms of negatives) but most of them don't work. Do you want to add some negatives for them?
I thought i'd hand it offer to you as is at this point since I might be slowing things down. Apologies, I don't have much free time as of late and this is my first go at modding
* Can't figure out how to attach file to pm so I attached it in the extra traits thread.
2.
Here is the page http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...&postcount=172
I put in a request for a bunch of TAG requests here
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...&postcount=155
These would make our life soooo much easier and would flesh out the trait system extensively, im not at all sure how hard it would be to include these in the schema etc but if this was done c2c traits would be up to scratch compared with the rest of the A+ game
3.
Not sure how people will feel about the total uneveness of traits tho man. We really need to implement more negatives into the original traits, I was reluctant to put in more property modifiers since I think its best done by someone who knows what they are doing.
4.
Sorry to bombard you with pm's
Another idea I had but didn't really want to risk due to my inexperience was -
You know how Nomad's get +1 food on scavenger huts or whatever it is, perhaps we could give some negatives this way, such as -1 hammer on iron/bronze etc for creative, or -1 commerce for scientific on diamond/ruby tiles etc.
Just need to come up with some more negatives for the other traits.
You could just implement a quickfix and just give out a bunch of -1 health -1 happy etc on the fly so its at least playable & somewhat fair - until they are finished properly.
I used a similar property manipulator under aggressive - it doesn't show under aggressive in the civilopedia however. I should mention here that it should work (since no errors occur), its just a problem with not showing up in the civilopedia.
Secondly, as I said in my above post, I did not want to implement pollution or any other property manipulators since I feel I do not have a good enough understanding of what would be 'balanced' in this regard. Especially when we are talking about pollution. Here is AiAndy's example of the code;
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Great idea on the properties.
For balance? Even an adjustment of 1 per pop would be pretty powerful. I'd try to keep it to something like -/+ 4 in every city for a minor benefit and -/+ 8 in every city for a major benefit. (That's on the generating value, not the sum total.) This would be roughly equivalent to -/+1 Health or Happiness and -/+2 Health or Happiness. (At least at the 4 crime per population that hydro has it at now.)
I'm only speaking for crime here though - each property type probably varies in terms of its overall balance point. And not all would be absolutely applicable to cities. (For now they all do seem to be mostly focused on cities though.)
Speaking of properties, a Justice type could also give a free Law Enforcement promo to Law Enforcement units(though here's where it would be useful to define the law enforcement units as their own combat class - once we have subcombat classes in play in a few weeks you can do that.) While a 'Scoundrel' could also give a free Criminal promo to its Rogue type units. And so on along those kinds of lines.
For balance? Even an adjustment of 1 per pop would be pretty powerful. I'd try to keep it to something like -/+ 4 in every city for a minor benefit and -/+ 8 in every city for a major benefit. (That's on the generating value, not the sum total.) This would be roughly equivalent to -/+1 Health or Happiness and -/+2 Health or Happiness. (At least at the 4 crime per population that hydro has it at now.)
I'm only speaking for crime here though - each property type probably varies in terms of its overall balance point. And not all would be absolutely applicable to cities. (For now they all do seem to be mostly focused on cities though.)
Speaking of properties, a Justice type could also give a free Law Enforcement promo to Law Enforcement units(though here's where it would be useful to define the law enforcement units as their own combat class - once we have subcombat classes in play in a few weeks you can do that.) While a 'Scoundrel' could also give a free Criminal promo to its Rogue type units. And so on along those kinds of lines.
I like the idea for law enforcement promo's. We need to focus on more negatives for the original traits though.
Regarding the property manipulators as you see I had already put them in there but my concern is that they don't show up in the civilopedia - like lots of other things
Also I didn't want to do any more property manipulators (especially pollution) since I think its best done by hyrdro or whoever - who knows what the right amounts are.
Regarding the property manipulators as you see I had already put them in there but my concern is that they don't show up in the civilopedia - like lots of other things
Also I didn't want to do any more property manipulators (especially pollution) since I think its best done by hyrdro or whoever - who knows what the right amounts are.
Since no-one has added or changed the traits I did a very quick change and added a bunch of negative civic upkeeps and gave political a little buff.
Redid it - balanced them a bit more. For example, changed revolutionary to 4 rev max, lowered political to 3 rev max. Changed a lot of the upkeep values, nerfed a few other negative traits too.
*Removed the earlier file.
Redid it - balanced them a bit more. For example, changed revolutionary to 4 rev max, lowered political to 3 rev max. Changed a lot of the upkeep values, nerfed a few other negative traits too.
*Removed the earlier file.
Do you guys think populist and/or fanatical are too strong?
* Also has anyone noticed that Hunter-Gatherer build slower granaries? I haven't tested it so im not sure. They should have like 50% slower granaries i think it is, otherwise im gonna have to nerf them it seems.
Can someone who knows how to do the buildings properly help to see what I did wrong.. why all my building modifiers aren't showing up. Was it just that the building file didn't get included, idk..
* Also has anyone noticed that Hunter-Gatherer build slower granaries? I haven't tested it so im not sure. They should have like 50% slower granaries i think it is, otherwise im gonna have to nerf them it seems.
Can someone who knows how to do the buildings properly help to see what I did wrong.. why all my building modifiers aren't showing up. Was it just that the building file didn't get included, idk..
