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C2C Supreme Commander
The essence of religion is belief while the essence of science is doubt. They rarely coexist well.
Well put
The essence of religion is belief while the essence of science is doubt. They rarely coexist well.
Then since you all feel so strongly that atheism should stay in the Religion Civics what do you propose to give it an "equal" science footing to Religions?
As for reducing Monasteries science production what era should this start? It should really be at least held off till the Industrial Era imo.
To replace the science that will be reduced/lost from the reduction to monasteries will a larger % be introduced for the education system for the masses? Not only libraries and Universities but schools both public and private should have the means to replace the lost beakers. Which means that more education buildings maybe needed starting in the Ren era.
JosEPh
The essence of religion is belief while the essence of science is doubt. They rarely coexist well.
Not sure what atheism as a c2C religion will do yet.
Already the animal enclosure buildings start giving science as the monasteries would stop.
I think the idea that monasteries give a flat science boost plus a decreasing % boost is the way to go. that way they will always provide some science but will stop being the centre for science. I agree that the reduction wont start until Scientific method is discovered.
What you call facts are dogmata which you are not supposed to question.The essence of religion Is belief that comes from gaining the facts "knowledge". This knowledge is then used to gain understanding. And from understanding the knowledge, wisdom is gained to put the knowledge and understanding to use. And is this not the essence of science? I believe that it is, not doubt. So there is a commonality and has been all along. It is irrationality to proport that they can not coexist, even rarely, because they do and have been doing so thru the ages.
What you call facts are dogmata which you are not supposed to question.
There is no such thing in science. Everything is questioned until objective measurable evidence overcomes the doubt.
Neither is wisdom a part of the scientific foundation. It might help you as a scientist but wisdom is subjective and the framework of science requires objective reproducability. In general you could go and check every single part of it yourself.
But I will continue to disagree that Atheism should stay as a "religion", the same as I maintain the disagreement that Pascifism should remain in the Mil. Civic category. I feel both of these should be Societal Civics or Societal Civics sub categories.
JosEPh
But I will continue to disagree that Atheism should stay as a "religion", the same as I maintain the disagreement that Pascifism should remain in the Mil. Civic category. I feel both of these should be Societal Civics or Societal Civics sub categories.
JosEPh
You have me a bit confused here. Atheism is a religion civic. I was thinking of removing it from the civics and making it a "religion" but on second thoughts this may be too hard.
Great men of knowledge lost their lives ...
@DH: What difficulties do you see Atheism being added as a religion presenting?
What would you use for it's "monasteries" and "temples" and later "cathedrals" type buildings? That is what I perceive as the hard part if you tried to make it a religion. And while we have it as a religion Civic choice, I still believe it would be better handled as a Societal Civic choice. And as T-Bird has brought up I see his suggestion for Agnostic as another Societal civic choice.You have me a bit confused here. Atheism is a religion civic. I was thinking of removing it from the civics and making it a "religion" but on second thoughts this may be too hard.
In fact, perhaps Agnosticism should be considered a religion as well.
@SO: I understand your comment on Atheism as a faith society, but I still believe that Atheism and Agnosticism alike are religious beliefs in and of themselves. They aren't 'organized' religious beliefs by any means but they are mindsets and religions are little if not mindsets in individuals. Furthermore, they are beliefs that do not coexist with other religious beliefs. If I am an atheist, I do not believe in a divine force guiding creation in any way. This is not compatable with any known religion otherwise. If I am Agnostic, it means I have not allowed any belief to yet fully sway me, including atheism. It simply means I will believe only what I feel I have enough evidence to believe and perhaps even that remains potentially subjective to further evidence. In truth, Agnosticism is the true root of the scientific method and Atheism can impede the scientific process just as deeply as any religion for being pre-convinced of ANYTHING is a bias you bring with you into the observation process.
In fact, perhaps Agnosticism should be considered a religion as well.
@Il Principe: The tenant of Science clearly states that nothing is fully proven at any given time. Under a truly scientific worldview, one must admit that new data can undermine even the most solid of 'proofs' which have been so relied upon to be established as scientific 'laws'.
Amen.. yeah.. not fitting here
Maybe the process of religion sometimes hindering sometimes advancing discovery could be modelled by giving/taking beakers away from certain techs, depending on state religion?
This would take of course a looot of time to decide which tech gets advanced/hindered by which religion.
Civics represent how the majority and/or the state thinks about a subject or approaches a subject and Atheism and Agnosticism both are ways to think about religion so they fit well in the Religion Civics (and having them elsewhere would enable such weird combos like both Atheism and a State Church).Religion Civics should contain the Civic choices that pertain to the religion usages. Under the current categories for the Civics, Society is the more logical place (from my point of view) for Atheism and Agnosticism. As these are more societal mindsets that can be interpreted as culture subsets of Society. Just as I feel that the Military Civics should be strictly Military oriented. So that Pacifism does not belong in the Mil Civic set but is again a Societal subset.
Civics represent how the majority and/or the state thinks about a subject or approaches a subject and Atheism and Agnosticism both are ways to think about religion so they fit well in the Religion Civics (and having them elsewhere would enable such weird combos like both Atheism and a State Church).