Deity Challenge #38 - Ashurbanipal, Pangaea

Very nice Glory7!! Im glad you came in here and are showing us how to play this Civ. I mean that is what this Civ is supposed to do right? You get 5 to 6 free techs when you do it this way no?

it was fun to ignore spt (didn't even get rati opener) and just get techs from conquering other civs. I think I got optics, horseback riding, philosophy, compass, astronomy, navigation, printing press, banking, acoustics, and education (maybe 1-2 more).

If I continue to play this game, I am pretty sure that I can steal at least 5 more :)
 
Damn Glory, you play this game on a different level than I do. Even if you don't finish, I'm glad you shared your progress.
 
Roll back to older drivers, Pilgrim? Or update to new ones? New drivers arrive every two weeks for me and they always screw up one game or another one way or the other.. Darn Nvidia. :badcomp:

I used quite old (October or so) drivers and they worked perfectly for a long time. Then all of a sudden I get this weird error. Recent drivers didn't help - same story. I installed the newest beta drivers and was able to play for about an hour - which is good and then got render error... Wth is that? Gotta experiment more with drivers, directx, ini files and all this bs. Really annoying... :mad:

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Btw, don't you feel you settled one too many cities? Still, positioning is perfect for blitz against Alex and Maria with one army and Shoshone/Hiawatha with another army with the final assault on Rome with both armies joining somewhere to the South.

Yes and no. If I were going for science, I'd settle them anyways. For domination that's probably an overkill. I played many Liberty games recently and played this one pretty much the same - not my brightest idea. If I manage to finish, it won't be the fastest win in human history. :crazyeye: I have 3 great cities and 2 so so cities. Still, every one of them is pulling its weight, so it's all good.

Strange that you took Piety. Did it help out with faith eventually? I'd settle for cheap roads in commerce instead. But i take it you haven't decided VC when you opened piety. Full commerce is a blast for domination victories.

That shows how rusty I am. Haven't really played much BNW. I don't think I've ever completed Commerce. But Liberty+Piety is an awesome combo, when you have enough culture. In this game I didn't realize few things: 1) Alex in the game... duh... 2) Most of the CS were blocked by terrain and some of them conquered by the AI. Not getting any culture from CS allies killed my SP acquisition speed. Like I said, it's one heck of a strange game. I didn't do anything too useful with Piety nor with religion in general. Tithe was helpful though.

I think artillery won't cut it in your crusade, but they are usually valuable up until turn 210 or something, so, it's a good place to start, instead of diverting all the way to biology and flight from the get to go.

If only AI wasn't so bad, I'd agree. Besides, everyone is fighting on multiple fronts all the time, so good tactics can work. But I don't count on artillery too much anyways, because it's not the pace I like. On top of that, I am still not the biggest fan of medieval/ren wars. They are too draggy and tedious. Bombers/nukes etc are so much faster... We'll see...


Best of luck! Share some more screens. :)
Thanks. If my game wasn't crashing every few turns or so, I could have... :(


What does yours do when it crashes? Is it that thing where the screen starts flickering and then you can't get to the menu buttons? I've played civ on my laptop, home pc, sons pc, and my work pc and have had that flickering issue on all of them.

Nothing. Black screen with active cursor and frozen computer. :confused: I'll let you know how it goes... Gah...
 
First post, long time lurker (I was on a Prodigy Civ II message board in 1991-2, LOL). I have won several Diety games by SV and CV, but prefer Immortal.

What a weird game being so boxed in, I was on the edge of my seat the last 40 turns or so! I ended with a turn 302 Science Victory - culminating with couping Budapest and nuking Athens before blast-off, my only war, F#@& You Alex! Apply several asterisks to my end time - I reloaded probably 10 times, mostly because I'm not used to Fast Move, so my routes got messed up. Also, I didn't see Poc move a settler in a spot I was prepared to block = reload. Twice on failed coup attempts. The biggest changer was restarting at World's Fair after I lost by a lot, just to get silver. As penance I went full-in Intl Space Station and lost mightily, still got silver. I ended up with an extra GE, so took CN Tower with 2 turns to go. I only had that, CR (GE), Hubble, Big Ben, and Pentagon, the last 2 were nearly worthless. Delayed PT cuz nobody went Rat, then suddenly USA bulbed it and didn’t show Rat until the next turn!?!

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I settled the spice for faster lux, Nineveh on the gems (had Music Guild there), Nimrud 4 south of cap – I wanted to stay behind the river from Alex. I headed NE for 4th city and settled 3 west of pearls. I considered leaving space for a 5th city near horses, putting Kar-Tuk on the hill next to pearls, but I knew I wanted watermills and high pop if I could. Alex settled 4 south of pearls, and I had to buy 2 tiles to get the 6 iron, which pissed him off plenty, something I wanted to avoid. But all the iron and horse sales were great.

BO was scout, scout, shrine, granary, (bought worker), partial caravan, archer, settler, finish caravan… Expos did granary/shrine I believe. I went pretty hard for shrines and temples, setting me back with everything else. Only stole one worker from Ife, too many barbs near home and my scouts went far and wide, tough to reveal the map. I had 2nd pantheon, Stone Circles. Founded with Tithe and Choral, as Temples were built and my cpt sucked. Only building left was Monasteries, and I wasn’t sure if they would pay for themselves… Enhanced with Swords-Plow 15% and Itinerant Preachers. I tried to spread some religion early, esp after Poc got knocked out, as he was the big spreader threat. For a while I thought Rome would adopt my religion, but no go by Industrial. I think I had 2 GP for quests and spread. My 4th city took forever to adopt – ugh. By end game I was getting 60+ gpt from Tithe.

Milestones were meh, NC 122, Rat 151, Sci Theory and Secularism 172, Order 185 (400s bpt), Plastics (Oxford) 209 (600s bpt), 1st in science 215. Bpt stuck in 800s a long time, as I worked max river and bonus tiles and only manned guilds and science buildings. Didn’t hit 1,000 bpt until near 260 and finished at 1,161 working all engineers and coast cities maxed specialists (needed to stop growth, I never went below 0 happiness). Only had maybe 5 RA’s total, Iroq and Aus, let the DOF expire after Ideologies to mollify Rome and Alex.

Early on I bribed Cath Vs Alex, later Alex vs Cath. Cathy never won anything, and slowly lost cities all game, finally being eliminated about T300. Austria was down to 2 crappy cities by the end. Bribed Rome vs Poc early, and that screwed up the entire game, as Rome steam-rolled Poc, taking his cap on T119. Mosan Kahni was Rome's biggest city at 36 at end game (Assur made 35, others 32, 27, 24). One of the biggest challenges was to keep Rome and Alex always warring - I always had to leave them one fresh foe to DOW. I only got them engaged 2x - first time no encounters and quick peace, argh. Second time Rome wanted 60+ gpt and goodies, I waited for 28 gpt. They were finally meeting up in Austrian lands south of the mountains at the end.

Rome and Alex spent half the game flipping CS allies. Alex, Rome, and USA all went full patronage, so I had to fight hard to have any allies. I had 7 max, 3 for quite a while, Budapest, Singapore, Sydney, sometimes Ife. By the end game I was down to just Budapest, and Alex had over 3x my gpt (400s to 100s). I was able to make a few proposals, first was WF - otherwise I did everything I could to make Rome happy. Multiple Leader votes, voted for almost anything he and Alex proposed, I proposed the Wonder +3 culture because Rome and Alex wanted it, I think I had no wonders at the time. Rome ended with 17 wonders, inc all of Poc's and Austria's. My only sweet resolution was to repeal Arts Funding – that brought my GS roaring back.

Alex made a few serious attempts to mass at my borders. Mid-game he dropped two GG’s SE of the pearls to get them and Ife’s coal, and later my 6 iron. I was so vulnerable, having only aluminum, so I only built 2 Battleships to hide in ports, no air, buying coal and oil from Rome and my pals knowing the spigot could dry up any moment. Rome even sold me 6 uranium LOL.

My playstyle was based on Tich’s Shoshone Overview http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=506043 . I went straight Tradition, and knew I would only get one policy before Renn, so went Commerce opener instead of Patronage and Consulates. Went Order T185 after only getting Rat and Secularism. Went six deep, then back-filled Rat, but I blew my tech order, so had to burn Commerce Wagon Trains before Rat finisher tech, which ended up timed perfectly after bulbing Ecology (tree splits in two after it). I had several GS near the end, last 4 techs went fast, ending at Part Phys.

Order order: Hero People/Soc Realism, Worker Facilities, Young Pioneers, 5 year Plan, Spaceflight Pioneers. Policies came slowly, so I had Hydro Plants in most cities before Factories.

Both Rome and Alex went Autocracy, but lucky for me Iroq, Cathy and Austria all went Order. USA went Freedom, so Iroq DOW’d him like 3x, and hence lost cities to Rome. Alex had happiness problems with all that conquest, so spawned rebels once that I saw. During one of his friendlier moments I kept a GM scouting his lands, which seemed kind of funny to me…

Where I departed from Tich style was I finally built up to Opera Houses to get Hermitage, and I put 4 GW in Library slots for border spreading (burned all GA for GAges). I did not oversell lux much. I knew happiness would suck at some point, plus I wanted max GAges, so I was in the 20s a lot. I tried to sell luxes smart, sell my multiples in stages to try for WLTK – never worked, first time ever. Always a CS or single of a Civ, ugh. Once I built a nuke, Alex was Afraid – my first nuke I ever built, I was all LOL, and bought 3 luxes at fair value, ha.

Early growth was horrible as I couldn’t get WLTK often enough. I often only had one food caravan to cap, only had 3 for a while mid-late game. I always ran caravans to Rome and Alex for modifiers. Getting the two coastal cities to start feeding each other was great. Once I started building space parts, and needed military, I switched some to production trade routes.

I was only able to buy science buildings in the cap. I was paying for luxes and wars constantly, and sometimes CS buys.

My army was small a fair amount of the game, but CS quests gave me many Mil CS units over time, and good ones, esp late. I only deleted one Swordsman. The last 40-50 turns, once I knew the SV was rolling, I built many units, built all defensive buildings, and roaded everywhere to battle Alex esp.


Some weirdness - several CS took other CS and quite a few civ cities. Sydney puppeted Montreal, I have never seen a CS puppet a city. Damn Montreal had crab which I needed for WLTK, and did not develop it while I waited for WLTK for like 60 turns, ugh.

Rome ended with 124 happiness, 66k gold, 645 gpt, and led everything but Literacy and Approval. He led WC until near the end when Alex got 2:1+ ratio. My only tech steal was Rome and he caught me first time but didn’t kill spy. That was my only blemish (other than Ideology). He or Alex could have squashed me any time nearly the whole game. Quite the nail-biter!


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What a weird game being so boxed in, I was on the edge of my seat the last 40 turns or so! I ended with a turn 302 Science Victory - culminating with couping Budapest and nuking Athens before blast-off, my only war, F#@& You Alex! Apply several asterisks to my end time - I reloaded probably 10 times, mostly because I'm not used to Fast Move, so my routes got messed up.

Wow Nigel... very detailed write up and congrats on the win and welcome back to posts since Civ II! I thought the F you Alex was pretty funny! I hope you get to the point in your Deity games where you can live with the mistakes and not reload. Especially with the spies dying, that happened to me twice in this game and it sucks but thats more true to real life, spies die... that is the danger of the profession. Also if you can win on Deity how can you really enjoy Immortal, I mean I understand playing an Immortal challenge to be a part of the group and all, but to prefer Immortal boggles me a bit. I can understand that it is a more relaxed level though, that makes sense? I was just thinking... it would be funny if when you kill the AI's spy... the game automatically reloads :)

Nigel Quote: "Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the verbosity, it got pretty detailed."

Oh, using some educated words huh? Yes I guess it wasn't very succinctness or laconic!! Rote? I had to look that one up, yes I guess it can be that!
 
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the verbosity, it got pretty detailed. :rolleyes:

It seems like Diety is almost too rote when following guides. So on Immortal I feel I have more freedom to do my own favorite things, like build Neuschwanstein, build Opera Houses, research Archaeology and Biology earlier, etc. Tich's guide really upped my game, but I enjoy a little more immersion and "art."

The reload habit will be so hard to break!
 
I used quite old (October or so) drivers and they worked perfectly for a long time. Then all of a sudden I get this weird error. Recent drivers didn't help - same story. I installed the newest beta drivers and was able to play for about an hour - which is good and then got render error... Wth is that? Gotta experiment more with drivers, directx, ini files and all this bs. Really annoying... :mad:

Nothing. Black screen with active cursor and frozen computer. :confused: I'll let you know how it goes... Gah...

How old is your video card ? Are you certain it isn't dying on you ? Have you checked its temperature when game is running (stuck cooler or something) ? If you can feel warmth with your palm a few inches/cm from the video card (side panel open) you'll probably need a new one .
 
How old is your video card ? Are you certain it isn't dying on you ? Have you checked its temperature when game is running (stuck cooler or something) ? If you can feel warmth with your palm a few inches/cm from the video card (side panel open) you'll probably need a new one .

It's not that old and I have temps under control. Will do a clean driver reinstall and DirectX reinstall and perhaps give my computer another cleaning, even though the temps are in normal range, I'd prefer them a bit cooler. I am pretty sure it's driver issue. There were a couple of reports about recent drivers crashing the game.
 
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the verbosity, it got pretty detailed. :rolleyes:

It seems like Diety is almost too rote when following guides. So on Immortal I feel I have more freedom to do my own favorite things, like build Neuschwanstein, build Opera Houses, research Archaeology and Biology earlier, etc. Tich's guide really upped my game, but I enjoy a little more immersion and "art."

The reload habit will be so hard to break!

What is this madness? No opera houses?
You're saying Tich's guide (or anyone actually) does not build hermitage? (I can understand skipping out on archaeologists if you don't have sites in your lands though) :lol:
How else will you get your culture from??? Aside from maybe, what, at least 5-6 CS allies to break around 150-200 culture, but Greece is in the game!

I'd actually think going for SV means you have more freedom to tech whatever you want (since you're already ahead of the AI by a lot feel free to go for biology and penicillin for extra trade routes and whatnot; it's not like they're going to steal Hubble from you)
 
What is this madness? No opera houses?
You're saying Tich's guide (or anyone actually) does not build hermitage? (I can understand skipping out on archaeologists if you don't have sites in your lands though) :lol:
How else will you get your culture from??? Aside from maybe, what, at least 5-6 CS allies to break around 150-200 culture, but Greece is in the game!

I'd actually think going for SV means you have more freedom to tech whatever you want (since you're already ahead of the AI by a lot feel free to go for biology and penicillin for extra trade routes and whatnot; it's not like they're going to steal Hubble from you)

^^ /me goes silently into the corner (I don't even have Amphitheaters ... )
 
What is this madness? No opera houses?
You're saying Tich's guide (or anyone actually) does not build hermitage?

Yeah, he builds and runs Music Guild for culture, but just burns GMs. It is a very detailed writeup (a little hard to follow the first time because there is so much info) and the early game sets up any VC nicely. So you could divert at any time. In this game I was so far behind in science (I focused a lot of early faith) that I saw multiple civ Archeologists running around while I was still a couple techs away, so I just stuck to the rough path. I only had 3 landmarks in my territory...

Oh, using some educated words huh? Yes I guess it wasn't very succinctness or laconic!! Rote? I had to look that one up, yes I guess it can be that!

LOL
 
It was a very messy game at the end, but I still won :)

I attacked Washington and it took around 40 turns to clear what was needed.
So around turn 300 I got the stealth bombers and some nukes so I turned around to Alex. Added Rome to the war, so I took half of his cities and several CS, Rome took the others, so when the 2nd world leader vote came, he was 2 votes short, despite recalling Austria to life.

So after 5-6 nukes and slowly clearing everything with aliminium penalty and unhappiness, this took a while, as he controlled Moscow and Vienna as well.

Around T320 I got Vienna, made a deal to end the war, getting Aluminium and 10k gold, so it didn't take much longer to get Rome and Iroqui's cap.

It was a nice game, the thing that saved me, was that I was fighting trough millions of Mobile SAM's and Tansk, but almost no Fighters. The bombers were not a problem, because my Jet Fighters were shooting them down. 10 heavy promoted Stealth bombers would not be enough otherway.

Its funny thing, how I got Advanced Balistics when capturing Bratislava. At the end I was 2 techs short of filling the tree, I could have the SV long before this, as I had all parts techs, but no Appolo, still I wanted to conquer em all and get my first deity domination, SV would've been a bit cheezy here :)
 

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Nicely done, dragonxxx. How many techs did you earn from capturing cities?

don't know exactly, probably 6-7. As I was tech leader before I went to war, but Alex was doing the top part of the tech tree, so I took all of these except the internet, and got some of the bottom techs too (like the one that gives you tanks), also advanced balistics from the CS.

That was not super relevant anyway, I was only building Atomic Bombs, Nuclear Missiles and XCOMs after I got the stealth bombers. At the end my XComs were starting with 3 promotions (70xp), that without having Brandenburg Gate.

The most important thing was the Royal Library, as all bombers needed 2 hits to get repair. So this 10 additional XP was very important, as I had very limited amount of Oil and it was a bit tight. The 6 per city limit makes things very hard, as when the opponent has some anti air guns you need fighters to sweep and 4-5 bombers take quite a long time to clear the carpet of doom ... So the first 2-3 cities in that direction were pretty hard until I got a second secure city to place bombers in the american front :)
 
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