Never-Before-Seen Civilizations
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Louis XXIV
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Also, one of the two had an empire twice the size of the Roman Empire.
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yeah, i saw that post and decided to reply to it right away, then went ahead and read the rest of the thread, because that was the first thought that came to mind.
cahokia would definitely make a good capital for three reasons: 1) it was a large, mississippian city' 2) it's well known; and 3) it was the native american capital in civ 4.
the biggest issue is the unit. birdmen could work, but i'm not sure how to work them into the game. they apparently used clubs and atlats, which would be best for a warrior or archer unit respectively, but both of those are already taken by american civilizations. neither would be good for replacing the spear and it seems like they don't want more than one unique replacement per unit or building per culture area.
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What about the Amazons or Portugal? Although Portugal isn't new.
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Portugal is nice, but the gameplay would be really close to spain. Nothing new, but I think Portugal deserves to be back on the game.
Amazons? Do you mean the legendary women? like wonder-woman?
Theres hundreds of indian plp on Brazil, each one with their on culture and beliefs. The more important and numerous are the Guarani. But none of them had write or cities. They are more collectors, hunters, didnt develompt a true civilization like the Incas or Maias.
Amazons? Do you mean the legendary women? like wonder-woman?
Theres hundreds of indian plp on Brazil, each one with their on culture and beliefs. The more important and numerous are the Guarani. But none of them had write or cities. They are more collectors, hunters, didnt develompt a true civilization like the Incas or Maias.
Louis XXIV
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Granted, Greece and Persia might not be the same culture area, but they were literally rivals. If there is any thought of having them face each other, it would be spear vs. spear.
I don't see anything wrong with having them replace Spears, though. If not, maybe Pikemen. Since the Mississippians had a developing Civic Service that would even make a degree of sense.
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wait, i just realized that arabia and songhai are in the same culture area, at least as far as the game is concerned right now. i still think it's kind of weird to use the city skins to decide who's in what culture area, but i guess it has to be done right now. a birdman with an atlatl could possibly be added after all, since north america is at least as different from south america as the middle east is from west africa.
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Wow, you guys have sure found a lot of minutiae on the Mississippians. I doubt that they'll get included though... Tuskaloosa is IMHO still a weak choice of leader, and we only possess a limited amount of information about them. Shame we don't know all that much about the individual people themselves... Cahokia is really cool.
If a second Native American civ is included at some point, I'd be expecting something much more familiar like the Sioux with Chief Sitting Bull.
If a second Native American civ is included at some point, I'd be expecting something much more familiar like the Sioux with Chief Sitting Bull.
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or they could get a unique scout. there aren't any of those yet.
and yeah, some of us tend to get pretty in depth on this stuff sometimes.
and yeah, some of us tend to get pretty in depth on this stuff sometimes.
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Spot on. I'd argue Civs portrayal of a single Arab civilization is more akin to modern political pan-Arab nationalism -- a product of dissent towards Ottoman imperialism.
For centuries, the 'Arabs' were divided and operated very distinct societies, from Almoravids, to the Fatamids and Abbasids (probably the closest civ that the Arabs in Civ5 are meant to represent), who, once split formed a dynasty based around Baghdad, each very distinct and in many ways, had very different culture, architecture, society and in many cases, different views of Islam.
Their separation is no different than France and Germany as separate entities. Do not forget that much of modern-day Germany was once called 'East-Francia'.
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Fact- Etruscans
Fact- Thrace
the evidence is clear
Fact- Thrace
the evidence is clear
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troytheface
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Fact- amazon Civ with women would be alot more fun then brazil
Fact- The Amazons (Greek: Ἀμαζόνες, Amazónes, singular Ἀμαζών, Amazōn) are a nation of all-female warriors in Classical antiquity and Greek mythology. Herodotus placed them in a region bordering Scythia in Sarmatia (modern territory of Ukraine). Other historiographers place them in Asia Minor,[1] Libya,[2] or India.[3]
the evidence is clear- Warrior women of Fact
Fact- The Amazons (Greek: Ἀμαζόνες, Amazónes, singular Ἀμαζών, Amazōn) are a nation of all-female warriors in Classical antiquity and Greek mythology. Herodotus placed them in a region bordering Scythia in Sarmatia (modern territory of Ukraine). Other historiographers place them in Asia Minor,[1] Libya,[2] or India.[3]
the evidence is clear- Warrior women of Fact
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I thought you mean that, I just never heard they being called amazons, but maybe thats the way other coutnries call them, sry to make fun of you.No, I meant the native people of Brazil.
As I said:
Theres hundreds of indian plp on Brazil, each one with their own culture and beliefs. The more important and numerous are the Guarani. But none of them had write or cities. They are more collectors, hunters, didnt develompt a true civilization like the Incas or Maias.
Louis XXIV
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I don't think you know what "fact" means.
Anyway, Etruria is interesting, although secondary to many contemporary peoples. Luckily for them, the Greeks are all in one civ, so the absence of Syracuse, the Peloponnesian League, and Delian League as independent Civs gives them a better argument for inclusion.
I'm not sure about Thrace, though. The dominance of the Greeks over the area, the lack of dramatic permanent achievements that influenced later peoples, and the lack of a unified league or central government are arguments against them.
jtb1127
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but the mongols conquered almost all of asia and the largest continuous empire in history. brazil would need a major accomplishment such as that to be incorperated into the game
Save_Ferris
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I could see the Etruscans with a replacement to the Monastery. They'd be good for culture.
The Kingmaker
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The Etruscans are Civ-worthy but very small. I think they're more Honorable Mention territory.
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