[BtS] "Mars, Now!"

The_J · Jul 31, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
Weird. It doesn't crash for you.

Oh, well, I'll try to play some more, I'll figure it out somehow.

It works now. Weird.

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ARghh! Another crash, this time several turns later. This doesn't seem to make sense!

Yes, i know, the crashes

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I will not release any new patch until i've found the reason for this, it keeps annoying me.

DavidB1111 said:
Oh, and some people are complaining about Religion Fanaticism, although there's not a single thing I'm using that should be considered fanaticism. Just colony, Communism, Data Control, and another one that escapes me.

Religious fanatism is the new term for diplo penalties because of different religions.

DavidB1111 · Jul 31, 2009

So, I guess I'm not the only one with these crashes? That's a relief. Of a sorts.

Also, I wondered what that message meant. Thanks for letting me know. Let's hope I can play a little more.

DavidB1111 · Aug 2, 2009

Well, so far I'm playing a lot and having a good time. One weirdness though, apparently you made it so that the technological boosting Science Above all gives unhappiness from Libraries? Why is that?

Seriously, why did you make it give unhappiness? If anything it should give happiness.

You do know there's no way to make a negative unhappy face, right? Making it give -1 unhappiness is the same as 1 extra unhappiness.

The_J · Aug 2, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
Well, so far I'm playing a lot and having a good time. One weirdness though, apparently you made it so that the technological boosting Science Above all gives unhappiness from Libraries? Why is that?

Seriously, why did you make it give unhappiness? If anything it should give happiness.

Look at the picture

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The theme is more "mad scientists doing unethic experiments", and not worshipping the science in a good way.

I should write some texts for the pedia :blush:

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DavidB1111 said:
You do know there's no way to make a negative unhappy face, right? Making it give -1 unhappiness is the same as 1 extra unhappiness.

Yes, it's a problem with the display. It's not my fault, it's a problem in the core.

I've played now 3 games until round 120 with a debug dll (thanks to phungus), and the game seems to be a bit more stable. I don't know why, but if i can't find anything else, i'll add the debug dll to the normal download.

What about the music? I felt, that it fits quite good into the game. Any comments?

I've also thought about adjusting a bit the system with water/oxygen dependence. It doesn't happen very often, that you have water + oxygen in the FC, or more than one of them. So after your fist cities, every city needs the resources.
Changing it to allow 2 cities per water + oxygen would be a bit better imho.

DavidB1111 · Aug 2, 2009

What I would like is a game option to reduce the amount of damaging sections on the map, because it makes a war nearly impossible because you have to pretty much spam consturction units until they can remove every spec of sandstorms in your territory, and your opponents.

Then you can declare war.

As it stands, it's impossible because you have to constantly move your units and make sure they can invade and attack before they all die.

Please, think about the war maniacs like myself. It's really hard...

Unless I'm really missing something simple.
OH, a big bug. Generals no longer give free upgrades .You may want to fix that. I don't know.
It still says they do, but they don't.

As for the science thing, the benefits far outweigh the bad.

The_J · Aug 2, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
What I would like is a game option to reduce the amount of damaging sections on the map, because it makes a war nearly impossible because you have to pretty much spam consturction units until they can remove every spec of sandstorms in your territory, and your opponents.
Then you can declare war.

As it stands, it's impossible because you have to constantly move your units and make sure they can invade and attack before they all die.

Please, think about the war maniacs like myself. It's really hard...

It should be hard

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If the game advances, with more terraforming the storms should vanish.
And it should be important to look, where you move, that's intended. Just take a pioneer tank with your army, they have medic 1.

DavidB1111 said:
Unless I'm really missing something simple.
OH, a big bug. Generals no longer give free upgrades .You may want to fix that. I don't know.
It still says they do, but they don't.

really?
I'll take a look at it.

DavidB1111 said:
As for the science thing, the benefits far outweigh the bad.

That was the goal

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DavidB1111 · Aug 2, 2009

There's a fine line between challenge, and madness, my friend.

As for the challenge, it's impossible at the moment to get the dumb AI to actually remove the sandstorms for me. The automated workers refuse to actually clear it. Or you made it last on the priority...

So far my terraforming is turning deserts to oceans! Or coasts rather, but still. oye.

Oh, built that wonder that adds up to 200% production and the massive production boosting space station thingy.

Now my captial city can go to about 700 production a turn.

Lots of armies!

The_J · Aug 3, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
There's a fine line between challenge, and madness, my friend.

As for the challenge, it's impossible at the moment to get the dumb AI to actually remove the sandstorms for me. The automated workers refuse to actually clear it. Or you made it last on the priority...

Automated workers don't remove the storms?
That's a bug, i guess, and it's not intended. I'll have to check this.

And i'll think about adding less storms if you play on lower levels

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DavidB1111 said:
Oh, built that wonder that adds up to 200% production and the massive production boosting space station thingy.

Now my captial city can go to about 700 production a turn. Lots of armies!

I'll maybe have to adjust the effect

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DavidB1111 · Aug 3, 2009

Either that or make it hard to 200%.

It's starting to explode again, er, crash, so you might want to keep taking a look.

Yeah, the storms are never removed, except rarely by terraforming, and why does terraform turn deserts into oceans?!! Or, Coasts? That doesn't make sense, and makes a lot less sense than, oh, colonizing mars.

The_J · Aug 3, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
Either that or make it hard to 200%.
It's starting to explode again, er, crash, so you might want to keep taking a look.

I'm sure "hunting" that bug, i hope, i'll come to a solution.

DavidB1111 said:
Yeah, the storms are never removed, except rarely by terraforming, and why does terraform turn deserts into oceans?!! Or, Coasts? That doesn't make sense, and makes a lot less sense than, oh, colonizing mars.

Yes, i have to create some more stages in the terraforming.
Atm, it just turns land into water (ice melting), but iirc some of the storms should also be removed.

Haven't looked at the workers yet, but you've mentioned, that the free upgrades from generals are not working, but for me they work :confused:

(see attachment).
If it happens again, please attach a savegame and add a screenshot

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DavidB1111 · Aug 3, 2009

I can go and give myself a general, but upgrading a unit to a hover tank still cost money.

Weird. I'll let you know if it happens again.

Jaraxle · Aug 7, 2009

The assassins act strangely. Sometimes other civs will attack them sometimes not. I haven't been able to make them offensively attack any civ. Only defend against the occasional civ that attacks them. They work as normal unit against mercs.

I can get build the strength 4 aircraft (I forget what its called) before I have flight.

The_J · Aug 7, 2009

Jaraxle said:
The assassins act strangely. Sometimes other civs will attack them sometimes not. I haven't been able to make them offensively attack any civ. Only defend against the occasional civ that attacks them. They work as normal unit against mercs.

Really

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I'll have to check that.

Jaraxle said:
I can get build the strength 4 aircraft (I forget what its called) before I have flight.

Yes...that's right...this part needs maybe a logical rework :blush:

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Jaraxle · Aug 7, 2009

Here is the change log for the events so far, let me know what you think.

Change Log

** Notes ********************
Only changed in English.

The Careless event I belive effects the Factory (instead of the forge)in the Mars Mod and I
changed the forge event with that in mind, if incorrect let me know.

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Spoiler :

I have it in XML but I don't know how to attach it.

The_J · Aug 7, 2009

So, with this post, i welcome Jaraxle in my team

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I hope, the work will continue so good

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Nice changes, but please put a spoiler around it

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I would have left the tornado and the thunderstorm in it, because the also fit, but the changes are better

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The changes are really needed

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Did you also change it in the xml? If yes: Can you attach it

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Jaraxle · Aug 8, 2009

Watersupply and Command Center buildings say they are national wonders but you can build them many times, (although building a new one destroys the old one).

The_J · Aug 9, 2009

Jaraxle said:
I have it in XML but I don't know how to attach it.

Easiest way is, to rename the .xml to .txt, and just attach it here (at the bottom is a button "manage attachments").

Or you could .zip it

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Jaraxle said:
Watersupply and Command Center buildings say they are national wonders but you can build them many times, (although building a new one destroys the old one).

Yes, that's right.
If you look at normal BtS, you can also rebuild the palace, to replace your government center.
That's the same for this both buildings, but there shouldn't be a reason to replace the water supply, but i didn't want to remove the ability, because i don't know, if somebody wants it.

Geomodder gave me i hint, that some of his citysets for Planetfall could fit good into my mod, and i've also talked to Maniac, and he doesn't mind it, that i use them.
So i've tried it out, doesn't look bad, but i have to do something against the pagode building...

DavidB1111 · Aug 9, 2009

That's funny, your screenshot is in German.

Seriously though, what's the problem exactly? The bad graphical mix and match?

The_J · Aug 9, 2009

DavidB1111 said:
That's funny, your screenshot is in German.

I didn't think, that the language would make a difference

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DavidB1111 said:
Seriously though, what's the problem exactly? The bad graphical mix and match?

What do you mean?
Some people complained, that the skyscrapers don't fit to the primitive first settlements on Mars, and i agreed, so they'll be changed.
Or do you mean the pagodes? They just don't fit imho.

Jaraxle · Aug 10, 2009

Lore wise what is the dome supposed to be? Is it a forcefield? A big piece of reinforced glass? Transparent aluminum?

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