creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
Got it. I have some nice time all staked out tomorrow for playing.
Raliuven SG2 Demi-God Aztecs
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creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
Okay, mid-set trading question;
Turn Log: (so far)
I can trade away Metallurgy (just got it), for banking, nav, and clean out the Maya's nice large treasury, and everyone else's except greece. In a military game I probably would not trade it though, to deny the AI cavs for as long as possible. I wondering about what to do.
I am tempted to hoard it for as long as possible, and only trade it when the AI is probably close to getting it or one has gotten it, on the other hand, we can really improve out economic position by trading it, and afford to upgrade some horses to knights. We are so behind in military, this would be nice, but we would be giving the AI a leg up to being even more ahead of us.
We'll probably get MilTrad in another 9-10 turns (8 if we get a cash influx) if that makes a big difference. I attached the save so you guys can have a look.
Turn Log: (so far)
Spoiler :
I can trade away Metallurgy (just got it), for banking, nav, and clean out the Maya's nice large treasury, and everyone else's except greece. In a military game I probably would not trade it though, to deny the AI cavs for as long as possible. I wondering about what to do.
I am tempted to hoard it for as long as possible, and only trade it when the AI is probably close to getting it or one has gotten it, on the other hand, we can really improve out economic position by trading it, and afford to upgrade some horses to knights. We are so behind in military, this would be nice, but we would be giving the AI a leg up to being even more ahead of us.
We'll probably get MilTrad in another 9-10 turns (8 if we get a cash influx) if that makes a big difference. I attached the save so you guys can have a look.
I'm inclined to take the trade now. With navigation we don't have to worry about trade routes being broken by unexpected war declarations. We could use the cash, and the AI having cavalry isn't as big a deal as us having cavalry. Plus, France and Greece don't have horses, right?
I agree. At best we are keeping the AI behind us by 10 turns on the way to Cavs if they really want it. We can always withhold the MT trade if we want to. Making the trade to get current on techs and to pick up some gold for rushing some knights and upping the research slider sound like a good idea to me. IIRC, Egypt has horses but no salt, France and Greece both have no horses. At least on our continent, we should be king of the hill.
The exception is the land to our west - I don't know that've inspected it close for resources. It has gems, but there may be a horse or something hidden in there. I don't recall?? As roads start to connect it might be something worth investigating.
Downside is that at this tech pace our cavs will probably be facing rifles soon.
Additional upside (I'm a man of many sides), Metal also expires the GW.
**Edit** Something I may not have mentioned clearly in my log - Japan came up with Chem on their own after 2-3 turns, so they may be right on our tail. They didn't have much to trade for it so I turned them down (7gpt, 53gp IIRC) and they had it pretty soon thereafter. I assumed they had researched it. No doubt they got a bonus to their research time after I traded it around, but something to consider.
The exception is the land to our west - I don't know that've inspected it close for resources. It has gems, but there may be a horse or something hidden in there. I don't recall?? As roads start to connect it might be something worth investigating.
Downside is that at this tech pace our cavs will probably be facing rifles soon.
Additional upside (I'm a man of many sides), Metal also expires the GW.
**Edit** Something I may not have mentioned clearly in my log - Japan came up with Chem on their own after 2-3 turns, so they may be right on our tail. They didn't have much to trade for it so I turned them down (7gpt, 53gp IIRC) and they had it pretty soon thereafter. I assumed they had researched it. No doubt they got a bonus to their research time after I traded it around, but something to consider.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Go for the trade.
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
Okay. made the trade and got lots of money, then squandered a bunch of it.
Turn Log: (complete)
Next player gets cavs
, We might want to shut off research for a little while after that to upgrade and rush some infrastructure, we need to be able to tech faster in the IA. We can complete our MA techs with pointy stick, Greece alone ought to give us some techs for peace, assuming they have any. Those little colonies to the west of us are good for pointy stick as well.
Basic military situation is much improved from the start of my set, we have burned three greek border cities and killed off tons of LBs
. We are mostly fighting with knight now rather than Horses. Soon it will be cavs.
Military fronts around the world are pretty stable, it is everyone on our continent vs Greece, and everyone on the other one vs Iroquois.
We can trade away banking and nav for some money, I'll leave that up to the next player. We are importing a bunch of Luxes, so watch out for those ending.
EDIT; Next player might want to try out using an explorer to cut off Greece's Saltpeter if we are going to keep fighting them for a while. They only have one I think. Same for their luxes. And build some settler to take the land I freed up!
Turn Log: (complete)
Spoiler :
Next player gets cavs
, We might want to shut off research for a little while after that to upgrade and rush some infrastructure, we need to be able to tech faster in the IA. We can complete our MA techs with pointy stick, Greece alone ought to give us some techs for peace, assuming they have any. Those little colonies to the west of us are good for pointy stick as well.Basic military situation is much improved from the start of my set, we have burned three greek border cities and killed off tons of LBs
. We are mostly fighting with knight now rather than Horses. Soon it will be cavs.Military fronts around the world are pretty stable, it is everyone on our continent vs Greece, and everyone on the other one vs Iroquois.
We can trade away banking and nav for some money, I'll leave that up to the next player. We are importing a bunch of Luxes, so watch out for those ending.
EDIT; Next player might want to try out using an explorer to cut off Greece's Saltpeter if we are going to keep fighting them for a while. They only have one I think. Same for their luxes. And build some settler to take the land I freed up!
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Nice work, creamcheese!
Got it, I'll post strategy thoughts (and probably play) tomorrow night. For now, it's sleepy time!
Got it, I'll post strategy thoughts (and probably play) tomorrow night. For now, it's sleepy time!
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
When do we want our GA?
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I'm done with my set.
Spoiler :
I really should finish GOTM 116 (don't know if I'll be able to get it done in time to submit).
But I will review and see where I'm at tonight. I'll check back and post a got it if I can pick it up.
I have to say that was a really fun round of turns to play and read. Everything seemed to come together very well!
re: GA - I've always gone with the sooner the better. Our GA should put the final nail in the tech race coffin. Once the AI get's lost searching for Fascism we'll have the tech lead for the remainder of the game after the GA boost.
If we wait until after we have universities built in our core we could make a tech killing. Of course a GA would really help to get universities up and running.
On the war side, triggering our GA soon would give us more units to put an end to this continental war once and for all.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
On the war side, I think the current crop of Cavs can probably finish off Greece with modest reinforcements. We really just need some garrison troops to follow along and pacify the cities we take, plus Settlers to fill in all that yummy science-farm space 
How about finishing off the Greek core (Egypt is in the way for Greece's southern province), building Newton's in our FP city, Unis in all the core cities, then kicking off our GA once we have Newton's and a dozen Unis complete?
Alternatively, we could wait until we have ToG, then kick off the GA to help build Newton's and the Unis. I'm not really sure which option is best.
How about finishing off the Greek core (Egypt is in the way for Greece's southern province), building Newton's in our FP city, Unis in all the core cities, then kicking off our GA once we have Newton's and a dozen Unis complete?
Alternatively, we could wait until we have ToG, then kick off the GA to help build Newton's and the Unis. I'm not really sure which option is best.
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
I'd say get some infrastructure up before GA, then we can nab some of those early IA techs that are so crucial to victory. We can probably manage the ToE-->Hoover's thing as well. Golden age into factories can be a very powerful combination, effectively extending your GA and giving you an industrial powerhouse.
Once Greece is gone we should go hardcore infrastructure+farms (maybe a few pointy stick minor wars), then when we have infantry and artillery we can clear our continent and finish the farms we will need for the final tech push to Space.
Once Greece is gone we should go hardcore infrastructure+farms (maybe a few pointy stick minor wars), then when we have infantry and artillery we can clear our continent and finish the farms we will need for the final tech push to Space.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I was thinking that we'd cut Greece down to a client kingdom, then restack Cavs and declare on Egypt a couple of turns later. If we keep Cav production up, I don't think we have any need to wait for infantry or artillery to clear the continent. We'll really only need them if we get bogged down.
I really should finish GOTM 116 (don't know if I'll be able to get it done in time to submit).
You've got 10 days to finish GOTM 116. That shouldn't be a problem.
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
Possibly, We'll have to see how we are doing by then, I am naturally pretty cautious about these things. Isn't it France that doesn't have horses? They might be a better target. Or were you thinking to kill off Egypt before they can get a bunch of cav?
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Well, Egypt is in the way to take Greece's southern province, so I was thinking we declare on them, take those blocking cities, and finish taking out Greece. At that point, we're already at war with Egypt, so we might as well finish the job. After that, France will be a cinch.
creamcheese
Spreading since 1990
I was just thinking that France would be easier and thus we'd get more science farms up faster, but there is something to be said for going Egypt first. The not-letting-them-get-cavs thing might be important, I do so hate having to defend 3 deep.
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