Is There Meaning Behind Firaxis' Brave New World New Cover Art?

Maybe someone could make the extremely weak argument that there will be multiple leaders per civilization because if Lincoln, but let's just leave that at me poking fun at it, without it actually happens.
 
labrynianrebel said:
The Right-Left is just a way of attempting to simplify politics, it's good for a basic understanding of politics but falls apart if you dig deeper. Most things resist simplicity, like history, science and arguments about whether or not Italy should be in Civilization V or not :p
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Italy is in civ V, they are just represented by their greatest empire and leader (who happens to be generally regarded as one of the greatest leaders of all time). I guess they could change the italian's representation, maybe they could use burlesque-oni as the leader instead of augustus? His UI could be bunga bunga parties...
 
bryanw1995 said:
Italy is in civ V, they are just represented by their greatest empire and leader (who happens to be generally regarded as one of the greatest leaders of all time). I guess they could change the italian's representation, maybe they could use burlesque-oni as the leader instead of augustus? His UI could be bunga bunga parties...
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It looks like you're having difficulty telling the difference between Rome and Italy. Would you like help with that?
 
Arachnofiend said:
Not really, no. The understanding I've been given is that the right wants less government involvement and the left wants more. Therefore, the extreme right would be anarchy.
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Negative. There is right-left and then there is authoritarian-libertarian. You can be a left-wing libertarian or a right-wing authoritarian. This misconception is because the current right-wing governments tend to be right-libertarian in accordance with neo-liberalism.

Both left and right can be autocratic as well as libertarian. The left-right divide can be interpreted in many different ways and is difficult to define. An extreme oversimplification, but one that may give some insight, is that the right generally stands for tradition where the left generally stands for progress. I'm trying not the make any value judgments, as progress for the sake of progress can be negative just as much as tradition for the sake of tradition can be as well.
 
Wow, blogging about Facebook comments. You could go for the trifecta a tweet the link. :)
 
pedrobarbosa said:
States with social programs are not socialist states. Socialism and communism are based in a production system, not in a social program.

China has a capitalist production mode, so, china is capitalist. It cant exist a state with political communism and economical capitalism, it's a great error. China has a authoritary capitalist system, it's not communist.

The Fascism is based on a idea of unity, of nation, it's the opposite thinking of the communism (a global state, where there are not borders).

They are VERY different in their objectives and their conception of society.
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One thing that really bugs me is that a lot of people seems to think it's Communism/Socialism vs. Democracy, as opposed to Capitalism, as if they're mutually exclusive.

The US didn't mind no dictators during the cold war, they minded Communists, even if democratically elected, and vice versa for the USSR.
 
I realize this is a bit off topic, but since several people have been discussing the positioning of various types of governments and authority, I would suggest taking a look at a website called "Political Compass" where left and right economic policies are on a right-left axis and separated from authoritarianism vs anarchy on an up down axis.
So it is possible to have left wing governments that are authoritarian or have little or no control and the same would apply to right wing governments.
 
billb said:
I realize this is a bit off topic, but since several people have been discussing the positioning of various types of governments and authority, I would suggest taking a look at a website called "Political Compass" where left and right economic policies are on a right-left axis and separated from authoritarianism vs anarchy on an up down axis.
So it is possible to have left wing governments that are authoritarian or have little or no control and the same would apply to right wing governments.
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I've seen this before, it is very interesting. You guys should check it out, just google "political compass". I think the concept of a 1-dimensional left/right is so oversimplified and inaccurate. This 1-dimensional left/right is basically propoganda that today most people see is an oversimplification, unlike in the 50's when people believed everything they were told.

You can also view where politicians stand on the "political compass" (in the opinions of the people who run the website). It is interesting how Obama shifted dramatically from the 2008 election to the 2012 election. It's also quite telling how Obama and Romney were almost in exactly the same position on the political compass. We are "free" because we have 2 "choices". But the power structure gives us the 2 choices, and they don't really care which one we choose because they are both basically the same.
 
aluelkdf said:
It's also quite telling how Obama and Romney were almost in exactly the same position on the political compass. We are "free" because we have 2 "choices". But the power structure gives us the 2 choices, and they don't really care which one we choose because they are both basically the same.
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Don't know if that is as much because of some secret cabal of supervillains dictating who runs for office, and more due to the information age allowing the politicians to find out exactly how people feel about a topic and simply go with the majority. Moving closer to direct democracy in that sense, for better or for worse.
 
MatThePhat said:
Don't know if that is as much because of some secret cabal of supervillains dictating who runs for office, and more due to the information age allowing the politicians to find out exactly how people feel about a topic and simply go with the majority. Moving closer to direct democracy in that sense, for better or for worse.
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Perhaps. But if you ask Obama and Romney they will both claim to be very different than the other guy.

And I don't like democracy anyway. Ben Franklin said, "democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner". The United States is supposed to be a Republic. In a Republic the will of the people controls the nation, but individuals still have rights that can't be denied even if the majority of people think so. In the Ben Franklin example if the nation is a democracy then the sheep gets eaten and has no legal recourse because that's what was voted for, in a republic the 1 sheep still has a right to not get eaten regardless of what the 2 wolves vote for.
 
Fascism allows for private enterprise but in return the state expects you to be a model citizen (military service, agree with state ideologies, not be any race or ethnicity the state doesn't like etc.). Communism (ideally) does not allow ANY private ownership but is all inclusive. The workers of one nation are the same as the workers of another.
 
MatThePhat said:
Don't know if that is as much because of some secret cabal of supervillains dictating who runs for office, and more due to the information age allowing the politicians to find out exactly how people feel about a topic and simply go with the majority. Moving closer to direct democracy in that sense, for better or for worse.
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Is that why bipartisan gun control legislation supported by 80% of the US population couldn't get through the Senate?
 
Anyone else notice the statue in the Order section looks a lot like the statue of Comstock in Bioshock Infinite, another 2k game?

Maybe will get Mechanized Patriots as a unit in the game as well :lol:
 
Tsar NicholasII said:
Fascism allows for private enterprise but in return the state expects you to be a model citizen (military service, agree with state ideologies, not be any race or ethnicity the state doesn't like etc.). Communism (ideally) does not allow ANY private ownership but is all inclusive. The workers of one nation are the same as the workers of another.
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No, they're not. First of all, the public enterprises are from socialism, not communism. In communism you dont have a state.

In socialism, work is a right. If you need, you have. Cuz the economy is planned by the state and they create conditions to put everybody working. Planned economy dont have the problem to control the unemployment. But, if you have a capitalistic economy, you must have unemployment (inflation control). The better (for who?) it's about 5-7%.
And who used it? Hitler and Franco as well. Using some part of the society to control the inflation of their economical actions.
In a socialism society your services are given by the state, so, do you must work, it's not only a right, but a duty.
In some socialism experiences the workers have part of the profit of the enterprise, not on capitalism.

In fascism you work for the nation (that makes a huge difference), the concept is: make the nation powerful. In socialism, you work for your comrades, for the society, for the well being. Nation (as nationalism) is a pernicious ideology.

Excuse me, but work in a fascism state is more similar to work to a democracy state. Socialism is very different.
 
Beefie said:
Anyone else notice the statue in the Order section looks a lot like the statue of Comstock in Bioshock Infinite, another 2k game?

Maybe will get Mechanized Patriots as a unit in the game as well :lol:
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It does, I don't know why they gave the statue that look. He has the gesturing of Lenin but he has a beard and not a beard big enough to be Marx.
 
pedrobarbosa said:
No, they're not. First of all, the public enterprises are from socialism, not communism. In communism you dont have a state.

In socialism, work is a right. If you need, you have. Cuz the economy is planned by the state and they create conditions to put everybody working. Planned economy dont have the problem to control the unemployment. But, if you have a capitalistic economy, you must have unemployment (inflation control). The better (for who?) it's about 5-7%.
And who used it? Hitler and Franco as well. Using some part of the society to control the inflation of their economical actions.
In a socialism society your services are given by the state, so, do you must work, it's not only a right, but a duty.
In some socialism experiences the workers have part of the profit of the enterprise, not on capitalism.

In fascism you work for the nation (that makes a huge difference), the concept is: make the nation powerful. In socialism, you work for your comrades, for the society, for the well being. Nation (as nationalism) is a pernicious ideology.

Excuse me, but work in a fascism state is more similar to work to a democracy state. Socialism is very different.
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What are you trying to get at? I said that Fascism allows private enterprise but it is for the benefit of the nation, not ones self. You also seem to be mixing up Socialism with Communism and Planned economies. The capitalist and fascist states both use socialist economic policies such as police and fire services that are paid by tax dollars. Communism has everything run through one entity.
 
The Autocracy third of the box is clearly German and Italian influence. The tanks in the background are King Tiger's, the planes are Heinkel He 111's. The Infantry have Italian uniforms
 
The Communist one looks like Castro meh thinks.
 
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