Wonder Elimination Thread

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Here we go again!

After the release of Gods and Kings some Wonder and their usefulness have changed, so I want to introduce a new Elimination Thread. Each Wonder starts with 20 points.
How to vote:
Copy the list from the last post and give the wonder you like +1 point - and mark green, the wonder you dislike most -2 and mark red. Now that there are less than 20 wonders left and to accelerate the process votes are -3 and +1 .

Please give reasons and please vote only once within 24 hours.

A wonder that hits 0 points or below is elimminated and please deleate it from the list you copy.

PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE WHEN YOU VOTE, AS VOTES ARE NOT RECOGNISED AS VOTES SOMETIMES!!! THANK YOU!!!!

The final ranking - and thanks for all your votes and posts:

1. Oracle

2.Hanging Gardens
3.Leaning Tower of Pisa

4.Petra
5.Chichen Itza
6.Machu Picchu
7.Notre Dam
8.Porcelain Tower
9.Neuschwanstein Castle
10.Louvre
11.Hubble
12.Sixtine Chapel
13.Alhambra
14.Big Ben
15.Great Library
16.Statue of Liberty
17.Eiffeltower
18.Brandenburg Gate
19.Stonehenge
20.Pyramids
21.Himeji Castle
22.Hagia Sophia
23.Great Mosque of Djenne
24.Sydney Opera House
25.Taj Mahal
26.Great Lighthouse
27.Forbidden Palace
28.Cristo Redentor
29.Colossus
30.Great Wall
31.Kremlin
32.CN Tower
33.Pentagon
34.Great Firewall
35.Terracotta Army
36.Angor Wat


The Wonders (without the ones from Wonders of the Ancient World):

Alhambra 20
Angor Wat 20
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 20
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 20
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 20
Great Library 20
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Hanging Gardens
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kreml 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sixtine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20
 
Alhambra 20
Angor Wat 19
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 20
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 20
Great Library 20
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kreml 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sixtine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

I think AW is way too late with Education, Theology as it was in vanilla is definitely better. I like the + 30-40 happiness from Eiffeltower
 
The Wonders (without the ones from Wonders of the Ancient World):

Thinks you should have added them all...

After all, most people who would buy an extension, would also buy a DLC.

Alhambra 20
Angor Wat 18
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 20
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 20
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Was difficult to choose a green one... there are now several more good ones around.
 
Alhambra 20
Angkor Wat 14 (corrected earlier users only substracting -1)
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 20
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 20
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Angkor Wat: Not worth the hammers 95% of the time.
Great Library: Probably one of the best early game wonders aside from Petra (but this one will be hyped anyway :D).
 
Alhambra 20
Angkor Wat 14
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18

Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20


Leaning tower of Pisa : Free GP laways comes handy. Nuff' said.
Colosuss : I don't find myself building it anytime unless I'm playing Archipelago or similar. It gets snatched in my games also. Too much map dependency.
 
Alhambra 20
Angkor Wat 14
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 21
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Pyramids is good all round wonder with hammer cost of two workers similar to hammer cost of the wonder, plus early GP point. Combined with liberty, makes for very efficient infrastructure development early in the game.
Great Wall.... vs AI, who needs to slow their movement as ai sucks at combat in CiV?
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 12
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Angkor Wat because it isn't worth the hammer.
Alhambra because i feel its a very strong wonder that can give your units a big edge (starting with 3 promotions and next promotion could be March).
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 10
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 20
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

I added the Hanging Gardens (for some reason left out of the OP) because it is my favorite early wonder. At the point you get it, the bonus to pop growth is just huge, and it helps with basically all winning strategies.
 
Alhambra 21
I added the Hanging Gardens (for some reason left out of the OP) because it is my favorite early wonder. At the point you get it, the bonus to pop growth is just huge, and it helps with basically all winning strategies.

Thanks for adding the Hanging Gardens.

I was hurrying to much: wrote Eliminatin Thread instead of Elimination Thread, reduced only 1 point instead of 2 points from Angor Wat and forgot to add the Hanging Gardens.
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 8
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 20
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Angkor Wat - I never want the ability that this wonder provides.
SOL - Big fan of adding bonuses to specialists
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 8
Big Ben 20
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 22 <- was not updated in above post
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

I like the pyramids, improved worker speed is just very notable, especially in G&K with its lots of jungle.
Great Wall is just really pointless in pretty much all of my games.
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 6
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

I like Big Ben because in every game I play I'm going to be purchasing buildings and units. Plus I wanted to pick something that was universal for most of my games and always useful.
I picked Ankor Wat because I suppose that the bonus is "the least useful of the wonders. That's not to say it isn't useful and I wouldn't use it in certain situations (like when playing Washington for super cheap tiles!)
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 6
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 16
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 21
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 20
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Hubble +1 because I met one of the astronauts who fixed it and he had great stories. I was also glad to see the devs include another contemporary wonder, and anything to do with space is awesomesauce. Plus, it's seriously OP, intenionally so (according to an article I read).

Great Wall -2 because I never get to build it before the AI. I also do not understand how it's graphical representation works, it never even comes close to wrapping around my contiguous borders, and it will shrink when territory is captured but not grow when terrritory is aquired.:confused:
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 5
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 20
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 21
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Stonehenge is a miracle worker now. Get it and you're not only guaranteed a swift religion, but also a much faster/easier time to grab a 2nd great prophet to enhance that religion, as well as building pagodas/cathedrals/mosques/monasteries and spreading your faith early. Stonehenge is also my must have wonder.

Oh... and yes, Angkor Wat is stupid and comes to late. It should come as early as the Hanging Gardens (or switch the benefits of the Wat and the Hanging Gardens).
 
Alhambra 21
Angkor Wat 2 (corrected)
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 21
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 21
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

one more thread to go till Angkor Wat gets eliminated! Well, just don't want spend hammers there...
Hubble is great for Science VC, and can help domination games too.

You guys cut out Alhambra. It's score was 21.
I did that, Sorry!
 
Angkor Wat 0
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 21
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 21
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 20

Gone goes the Wat, lol.
PT: Simple enough. 3+ RAs with PT + Rationalism and bam, like the fastest science victory already. I always want the PT, it's kind of like a must-have wonder, no matter what kind of game I'm playing. Well, except if I'm a warmonger, but chances are I'd still have 2 RAs at that point to benefit as well,
 
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 21
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 21
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 18

Today I learn people don't like the Wat, lol. Gotta love Petra though,can really make a desert city a powerhouse.
 
Spoiler :
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 18
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 21
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 16


Stonehenge: guaranteed religion, equivalent to 5 shrines (hence 5 :c5gold: maintenance), and the earliest GE points in the game.

Terracotta Army: Even in a culture VC game, this wonder is disposable. The AI hardly even touches it before the Industrial Age :lol:. Needs a buff, maybe + :c5culture: whenever one of your units is defeated?
 
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 19 (+1)
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 21
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 18 (-2)
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 16

I can't believe people are getting down on the Great Wall. It's fantastic both defensively and offensively (I just took your city and now you can't move!). You can keep it in effect forever just by avoiding Dynamite (which is not completely avoidable). Plus the early free Great Engineer point is nice.

I've never seen the point of building Neuschwanstein Castle. Maybe if you're Ethiopia playing a culture game? Happiness isn't that hard to come by now, though.
 
Big Ben 21
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 20
CN Tower 20
Colossus 18
Cristo Redentor 20
Eiffeltower 21
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Firewall 21
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 20
Great Wall 17 (corrected)
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 21
Hubble 22 (corrected)
Kremlin 20
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 20
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 20
Oracle 20
Pentagon 20
Petra 21
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 21
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 20
Taj Mahal 20
Terracotta Army 16

I voted +1 Hubble earlier then the next person didn't copy my list and then it got voted again by someone later. I've corrected it's score here. They also did not copy my -2 vote for Great Wall. That is corrected as well, still looking for errors.
 
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