Unique Ability Elimination Thread

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 2
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 23
China - Art of War - 18
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 8
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 33
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 25
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 12
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

Germany's discount is solid, but the random nature of the barb capture is rage inducing.

The Zulu UA means that anything produced in an Autocracy Brandenburg city starts with Logistics/March.

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18- All remaining bonuses are great, this one is one of the worst remaining.
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 2
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26- Free city connections in coastal cities. Crossing mountains. Its really good.
China - Art of War - 18
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 8
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 33
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 25
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 12
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 0 - Gotta knock this one out, Extra belief can be pretty good, but you've got to be first to the religion game if you want to take real advantage of it. And that can mean weakening yourself in the early game.
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 8
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 19
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31 - This UA + Great Library + Tall Empire + Freedom Ideology = Korea can into Space by 1890!
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 33
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 25
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 12
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

Workman said:

Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - This UA + Great Library + Tall Empire + Freedom Ideology = Korea can into Space by 1890!

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Getting GL is not likely to happen at higher difficulty levels, so it is difficult level dependant

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 31
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 8
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 15 I'm stunned this has made it so far. It makes you go so far out of your way to get any value out of it, and has about the same effect as dutch east india company, only harder to use.
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 33
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27 So many bonuses! Each better than the last! Far more useful than ANY other naval ability.
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 12
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

greygamer said:

Getting GL is not likely to happen at higher difficulty levels, so it is difficult level dependant

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Hmm. Fair enough.

Workman said:

Hmm. Fair enough.

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It wasn't intended as a personal criticism, but it does depend on difficulty and other settings not just for this UA but some of the others,

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33 Academy so early is ridiculous
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 14 I never notice this ability's effect.
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 8
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 15
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 33
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 12
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 14
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 15
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 33
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15


+2 to Bismarck's ability, to make it survive a vote more. It's actually decent now, but I still think it should be 100% chance.

-4 to Rome's ability. That's a cool ability you've got here, but Hanse is better than this, as it helps you in your capital, most likely gives a better bonus, as well as gives an increase when building wonders and units at the cost of coming later.
Also the rest of the Rome is lacking, not helping you with your UA at all. Two overrated early game UU's without any special promotions that remain after upgrades, while early game conquering and wide empires are no longer very viable.

Rome really deserves better, hope it gets buffed next.

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 14
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 11 - While all UA's left are pretty good, i don't really like map dependent UA's that much. In Pangaea, usually all you find is one tile islands, which are not worth it, even with this UA.
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35 - Best one, i mean c'mon, free policies! So flexible, helps in any possible strategy, what's not to like?
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 24
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 30
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 14
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 10
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 11
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20 - this does not amount to much gold.
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 32 - great for saving gold as you don't have to buy up those second and third ring resource tiles, not to mention it allows for grabbing the fourth and fifth ring ones much more quickly
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 15

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 14
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12 The patch upped the barb conversion rate from 50% to 67%, if you're diligent about barb hunting you can warmonger to your heart's content and only have to build a couple units the whole first half of the game.
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 11
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 22
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 32
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11 I left it alone as long as I could but all the other ones I don't like are gone, sorry.

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 18
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 14
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 11
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18 - Requires very early warmongering, and early game is all about building up.
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 19
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34 I was skeptical about this one until I started up my first broshone game, all that extra land.
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 14 Fantastic UB and UU, but the UA doesn't really have any synergy with either of them. Religion spreading through trade routes isn't that fantastic, especially since you don't get any particular benefits to religion with this civ. Tithe might get you a little bit extra gpt than normal, but I doubt it is worth founding a religion for this civ just for this UA. Double oil comes pretty late and is only a bit of late gpt. If you have a costal city the +range for the caravans is useless, and internal trade routes are better early on in the game when you would want to use this part of the UA anyway. I think this should have been eliminated well before some others actually.
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 11
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 11
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 21 You can get a very early great scientist, and your pyramids make you want to go very religion heavy in the first place, so you have another reason to beeline theology.
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 14
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 26
Egypt - Monument Builders - 11
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 12 You'll notice I have a trend for upvoting watery civs. First Polynesia, then Indonesia. I'll probably do Carthage next. I just love water civs. Only wish AI was better on those maps
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 8
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 15 Just not my playstyle, plain and simple. The only UA left here (apart from perhaps Venice) that I think does not deserve to stand toe-to-toe with the other UAs, all of which I have no problems with beyond nitpicking
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 21
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 14
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28 Lovely harbors are really helpful when playing wide, great synergy with exploration and larger trade routes.
Egypt - Monument Builders - 11
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 13*
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 4 I like playing wide but I don't like this UA, the bonus it isn't so big compared with other UA's.
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 14*
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 21
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11

*Fixed

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
I'm going to come out about not liking this one. While it might be historically accurate, it isn't worth founding a religion over and those oil resources are only useful to a warmonger. I liked the old Arabia much better where I got gold from stuff.
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
Egypt - Monument Builders - 11
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 13
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 4
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 24
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 14
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
7 or 8 free great people over the course of the game is excellent, especially since a well timed engineer in the Renaissance or scientist for an early academy can make all the difference. Or the Maya can pop for a free prophet and a religion if they want. This UA rivals ingenuity if you ask me.
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
Egypt - Monument Builders - 11
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 13
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Rome - The Glory of Rome - 0 Once again, I've got to knock this one out, I don't think it's bad, it's just not that fantastic. Little too dependent on your starting location (particularly when it comes to terrain dependent buildings, Lighthouse, Windmill, Solar Plant, etc). If you build a bad Rome the rest of your empire will pay for it.
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 26 Ever since BNW and the World Congress, It's harder and harder to ignore city-states. With that in mind this bonus is very versatile whether your playing tall or wide, and it's very likely that you'll have at least a handful of CS's as your allies as some point in any game.
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 14
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 18
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11

23. Carnival
24. Sacrificial Captives
25. River Warlord
26. Seven Cities of Gold
27. Spice Islanders
28. Furor Teuctonious (i probably spelled that wrong)
29. The Glory of Rome
30. The Great Warpath
31. Scourge of God
32. Diplomatic Marriage
33. Viking Fury
34. Barbary Corsairs
35. Dutch East India Company
36. City of Light
37. Population Growth
38. Gateway to Africa
39- Bushido
40. Druidic Lore
41. Sprit of Adwa
42. Manifest destiny
43. Mongol terror

Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 10
Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 18- Even when going dom, I can keep up in tech.
Babylon - Ingenuity - 33
Brazil - Carnival - 21
Carthage - Phoenician Heritage 28
Egypt - Monument Builders - 11
England - Sun Never Sets - 15
Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 12
Greece - Hellenic League - 25
Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 13
Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 23
Poland - Solidarity - 35
Polynesia - Wayfinding - 27
Portugal - Mare Clausum - 20
Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
Siam - Father Governs Children - 26
Songhai - River Warlord - 16
Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 14
Sweden - Nobel Prize - 24
The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 20- The culture is based on the units era/or strength, which means you get a incrementally higher amount of culture for kills.
The Inca - Great Andean Road - 33
The Maya - The Long Count - 23
The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 34
The Zulus - Iklwa - 26
Venice - Serenissima - 11